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AI Summary:

Overview:

  • Mozilla is updating its new Terms of Use for Firefox due to criticism over unclear language about user data.
  • Original terms seemed to give Mozilla broad ownership of user data, causing concern.
  • Updated terms emphasize limited scope of data interaction, stating Mozilla only needs rights necessary to operate Firefox.
  • Mozilla acknowledges confusion and aims to clarify their intent to make Firefox work without owning user content.
  • Company explains they don't make blanket claims of "never selling data" due to evolving legal definitions and obligations.
  • Mozilla collects and shares some data with partners to keep Firefox commercially viable, but ensures data is anonymized or shared in aggregate.
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I guess it is time to start setting up Nyxt.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Too late. I've already moved to another browser

[–] [email protected] 194 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 weeks ago (23 children)

"I am doing things that are not selling your data which some people consider to be selling your data"

Why is he so cryptic? Neil, why don't you tell me what those things are and let me be the judge?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

some people consider indirect, cryptic answers to be complete

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Really? I would think most would consider them for what they are: evasive and probably deceptive

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Pornhub now remembers what sort of porn you like while browsing incognito. Is this also happening with other browsers? I just don't wanna have my wife know what kid of bdsm I really like. It keeps things fun that way. Fun, gun, hun, nun, are all too close on the keyboard. Autocorrect can't fix that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Pornhub now remembers what sort of porn you like while browsing incognito.

Are you sure? All incognito windows run in the same memory space. If you open one window and do something in it, that session data is available to any other open incognito window open. To clear this ALL incognito windows need to be closed. Once they are all closed, you should be able to open a single new one and have no remnants of the previous sessions left over for the website to know you. The exceptions to this are if they are tracking activity from your IP address or if they are using Browser Fingerprinting on your session so they know even if you come from a different IP they know its your computer.

I run into the IP tracking sometimes. The wife will be doing searches for some specific thing, and I'll see youtube recommendations show up on those topics even though I'm running youtube via incognito on completely different hardware (but we're both using the same public IP).

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 weeks ago (18 children)

They have no business collecting any data in the first place. If I wanted my data collected I'd be using Chrome like everyone else. I'm not choosing to use their buggy ass inferior and slower browser for any of Mozilla's services, I'm choosing it because I want to support non-Chromium browsers and regain my privacy.

There's no point whatsoever to using Firefox if it's just a worse Chrome.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

cool, sounds good. (the Community gif where Troy walks into the room with Pizza, Pierce has been shot, and there's fire everywhere)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What’s the best alternative on Mac?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It looks like Arc but built on Firefox’s engine? That’s sick. I’ll give it a look.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nah, it's abandoned as the company turned to ai stuff

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Are you referring to Arc or to Zen?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I downloaded it and signed into to Sync and i gotta be honest it’s a little half baked. I think I’ll stick with Firefox for now until it leaves beta.

[–] [email protected] 245 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's good and I'm genuinely glad they're trying to clarify it, but it proves yet again that their top management is out of touch with reality and their users: somebody (most likely more than one person actually) had to sign off on these changes and the message they sent out - this whole thing could have been avoided if they understood their users better (and/or if they actually cared nore about what users think).

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Mozilla says that “there are a number of places where we collect and share some data with our partners” so that Firefox can be “commercially viable,” but it adds that it spells those out in its privacy notice and works to strip data of potentially identifying information or share it in aggregate.

Sounds like they've already been selling (or trading) data and this whole debacle is a way to retroactively cover their asses.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Brodie thinks that they still left themselves some wiggle room for ""selling"" user data.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Is there a way to generate fake user activity data to feed to Firefox or stripped down versions of firefox ?
So that the data is useless for anyone buying it. Furthermore fake browsing data also messes up data collection by websites.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago

You're probably just better going with a fork of FF that has all that nonsense stripped out.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

The simple way to deal with this is through extensions. Collect anonymized data through an extension, let the user decide to opt-out if they want.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago

Great, but a web browser still does not need terms of service. There's no ongoing relationship between the user and the creator of the browser, at least, there shouldn't be unless the user signs up for additional optional services.

It's great if Mozilla wants to offer some optional services users can opt in to, and those services probably need terms. I use Firefox Sync, though I've started to reconsider that given the recent fuss. The browser itself? I'll move to a fork first, and stop recommending Firefox to others.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

I’m eagerly awaiting the new version but I already like it. They now admit that they are sharing and sometimes selling private data (anonymized or not, same thing).

[–] [email protected] 93 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Ruh roh. Too late though.

Friendship ended with Firefox,❎ Librewolf is my new best friend. ✅

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Friendship ended with Firefox,❎ Librewolf is my new best friend. ✅

A big problem with such forks (same with packages made by Linux distributors) is that there is a delay between official FF release and the release of the corresponding update of the fork. 99% of the time this doesn't matter much but when there is a severe security issue, the patch needs to be available ASAP.

Past enshittifications of Firefox could be disabled by users. Users who know what to disable don't need such forks then.

I'm not yet clear what Mozilla even intends. Is it just an adjustment of language of things that are already in FF and can be disabled easily? If so, I just keep the following shit disabled and benefit from earlier update releases.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've already moved most of my stuff to forks or different software altogether.

Firefox -> LibreWolf and Waterfox

Thunderbird -> Evolution

I'm still trying to decide if I want to move off k9mail on mobile to something else. I probably will but I'm not sure what at this point.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I thought Thunderbird was a separate entitiy from Mozilla these days? And K-9 isn't owned by Thunderbird either? Am I mistaken?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Too late for me personally, I've gone ahead and moved over to Zen.

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