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President Volodymyr Zelensky left the White House early without signing a mineral deal with the United States following a heated exchange with President Donald Trump on Feb. 28.

Zelensky departed in his motorcade around 1:45 p.m. local time, without holding a joint news conference scheduled for later in the day, after the two leaders got into a heated argument while speaking with journalists in the Oval Office.

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CNN reported that following the exchange, Zelensky and Trump left to separate rooms, with the Ukrainian delegation wanting to continue talks with the Trump administration.

Trump later ordered his officials to tell the Ukrainian officials to leave the White House, despite protest from the Ukrainian delegation.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago

What is even worse than how embarrassing this is, is that it’s impossible for me to tell if this was Putin’s idea or just a fortunate side effect of his stooge’s lead-addled and dying brain.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 month ago (1 children)

France should gift a bunch of nukes to Ukraine. Seriously the EU lacks the manufacturing capacity to properly arm Ukraine without US deliveries and keep their own stockpiles at an adequate levels.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Europe should call ruzi bluff with immediate boots on the ground pushing ruzkies back to the border. Secure the airspace and fucking fry the orcs. Done with minimal european casualties.

Everyone's pissing in the boot while Europe suffers economic and cultural damage that will indirectly kill many more people than a swift defense would have.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Zel should fly to another country in EU for mineral deal

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 month ago

I watched this and I found it disgusting. It seemed to me that this was pure blackmail. This American government can't be trusted to keep its commitments and I won't be surprised if he pulls such stunts with Taiwan as well.

I wonder if any other world leader would like to visit the White House and be insulted by this administration !!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Watching that inteview and remembering the first Zelensky's adresses to his and even my russian people early in the war, I was pretty occupied with an idea of how these two numbheads would be good punching bags once I put a trash bag on them and use a duct tape to ensure their breath doesn't leave it, and hitting them repatedly with a fist or some blunt and heavy object. I don't usually accept or encourage violence, but I felt lost watching this shit piece of negotiations and also very, morbidly angry. I couldn't avoid thinking of going physical with them and it probably took a year and a half from Zelensky's tired neurons to keep himself contained until the meeting ended. I'm pretty sure he kicked something after leaving it. I'm sure I would've if I has been him.

[–] [email protected] 125 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The wording is so insane to me. Like he was just begging to sign that deal. lol

There's no way he was going to sign it. He didn't come to the US to sign it. He came here to negotiate into a reasonable deal for both countries. This headline makes it sound like he lost out, and he really didn't. Like, sure, we could have swooped in and helped Ukraine a little more, but in return we would get billions, maybe even trillions in return... It's literally war profiteering out in the open.

That kind of shit used to be illegal and now we have Presidents televising his profiteering... This timeline is fucking nuts.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I bet he chose to leave but Trump couldn't handle the Truth.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Ukraine's mineral resources really aren't even that considerable on a global scale. They're not insignificant but their economic value at the moment, even setting aside the war, doesn't have American companies salivating.

This minerals for protection thing apparently was floated by Ukraine first to the Biden administration and Trump campaign. The Biden administration didn't do much with it because, among other things, the actual economic and practical value was questionable.

Trump, on the other hand, just wants to be seen making deals. Zelenskyy and Ukraine first floated the general idea because they knew Trump is highly transactional and it'd give Trump an easy "win."

I highly doubt trillions in profits are anywhere in the mix.

And you don't want to negotiate anything with Trump directly. If Zelenskyy did that intentionally, he dropped the ball. Trump is far too mercurial and often only grasps issues in the most basic of senses. Trying to get into a nuts and bolts negotiation with him is pointless. Hammer that out first, get something signable without too onerous of long term commitments, compliment him, sign, move on.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So there's a huge deposit between Mariupol and Donetsk, which is in Russian controlled territory. It's probably the easiest to mine and most economically viable... I think that was the original plan Zelensky was thinking. Get some American mining infrastructure there and then thr US has skin in the game.

Trump seems to have a survey of the entire countries rare earth resources and is just taking the entire estimated value and splitting in half. Which as you pointed out is stupid, because a lot of the deposits are smaller or would be much more expensive to mine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think this is why Putin also was quick to mention cooperating with the USA on minerals in Russia (which from his POV includes those regions). I'm sure Zelenskyy/Ukraine would want to try to use that as leverage but I don't think Trump bites.

There are some substantial reserves of various minerals elsewhere but not sure how viable and valuable they really are.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

You mean in Ukraine? There are tons of other stuff to mine and even some rare earth outside of controlled area... It just is probably less profitable to mine. Here is a map

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

That's what the article says. Zelensky wanted to continue negotiations.

There are things the US has that they cannot get from the EU. If there would ever be a deal that would be the basis.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

US assurance means as much as Russian assurance anyways, and US is known to go back on deals they themselves proposed and signed like what they are doing to Canada. So if the US isn't even making a good faith attempt at a deal they likely wouldn't stick to in order to protect Ukraine it just shows how corrupt negotions were from the start.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

that is why it is important for smaller countries to join up to form something like EU and etc. so as to function like a big country.

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