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Firefox maker Mozilla deleted a promise to never sell its users' personal data and is trying to assure worried users that its approach to privacy hasn't fundamentally changed. Until recently, a Firefox FAQ promised that the browser maker never has and never will sell its users' personal data. An archived version from January 30 says:

Does Firefox sell your personal data?

Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That's a promise.

That promise is removed from the current version. There's also a notable change in a data privacy FAQ that used to say, "Mozilla doesn't sell data about you, and we don't buy data about you."

The data privacy FAQ now explains that Mozilla is no longer making blanket promises about not selling data because some legal jurisdictions define "sale" in a very broad way:

Mozilla doesn't sell data about you (in the way that most people think about "selling data"), and we don't buy data about you. Since we strive for transparency, and the LEGAL definition of "sale of data" is extremely broad in some places, we've had to step back from making the definitive statements you know and love. We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable) is stripped of any identifying information, or shared only in the aggregate, or is put through our privacy preserving technologies (like OHTTP).

Mozilla didn't say which legal jurisdictions have these broad definitions.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

At least Ecosia plants trees, and the way those trees produce oxygen and absorb CO2 is a benefit to me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

I moved to LibreWolf a couple of months ago. I'll move further away if I need to.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I don't get how something is allowed to be labeled "free" when the terms of usage make you barter your data.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Mozilla posted an update:

Update at 10:20 pm ET: Mozilla has since announced a change to the license language to address user complaints. It now says, "You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Why they need users ? If they operate Firefox by themselves why they not start paying for power usage for hosting Firefox on my machine.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I realized mozilla is cooked a few months ago when i read this issue where it has taken them TWELVE YEARS to implement a date picker

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=888320

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

They have also had this issue open for 20 years.

And this amounts to just allowing the user to specify a different directory for Firefox on Linux (~/.mozilla is terrible).

Frankly unacceptable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

Between the fact I've been using a date picker for ages in Firefox, the fact dates and times are hard, and the title of the issue that's clearly a zombie issue. I'm surprised they were able to close it at all.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I use brave and librewolf, anybody know if those are still safe from this dort of thing? (Probably not I guess, so what browsers are left?)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

Librewolf is privacy-hardened so it's probably the best option. Brave is Chromium-based. Realistically though, all web browsers come with compromises, and internet anonymity is virtually impossible without unrealistic amounts of effort.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Someone earlier said that brave was based on chrome and when google blocked ublock origin on Chrome, it would stop working on brave too.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

People don't like Brave because they believe it's a crypto scam, and the CEO is a douchebag. But Brave has said they'll continue to support extensions regardless of Google's change.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Don't forget the CEO's worst crime: he's the inventor of javascript

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I have yet to see YouTube ads on brave, but are you saying that will soon cease to be the case? Bugger.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

Also, Brave has really shitty features like redirecting referral codes.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

This whole thing does not matter if you are living in the US anyway become of the Third-party doctrine that holds that people who voluntarily give information to third parties have "no reasonable expectation of privacy in that information.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

palemoon is just firefox from the pre quantum days before the webextension enshittification and all they need is a decent mobile app and their own sync

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Isn't it more vulnerable since it's based on older version? Correct me if I'm wrong

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It is actively developed . They didn’t just kept the old version. They forked it and improving and fixing it.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

It could just be styled the old way

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

Don't collect anything on your own and don't sell the things you don't collect. Bam, problem solved.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

~~Don’t~~ be evil

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

lmao another Mozilla shitshow

grabs popcorn 🍿

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