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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

It just popped up in my mind.

  • You could decorate any room as you like. You don't even need to step out of it most of the times.
  • Other people can be projected inside it like Voyager's doctor.
  • Also rooms could be much smaller. They only need to be big enough a human(oid) can fit inside.
  • In emergency cases most holograms can be shut off to match increased energy demands by weapons and shields. You only really need seating/bed and a (non-exploding) console screen.
  • Much of the specialized rooms like a bar, med bay, etc. won't be needed anymore as a holodeck can imitate all of them.

It irritated me a bit that a Discovery gets fancy floating warp nacelles but holodecks are... wait, does Discovery has a holodeck? I don't remember seeing one.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

This is a fun thought experiment and I'm kind of surprised Discovery didn't do something like this with holodeck tech in the "future" since the writers weren't afraid to do other tech-taken-to-natural-conclusion like tiny phaser transporters (or whatever those were).

Semi-related but I always thought it would be cool to see a Star Trek future where things have advanced so far that it would appear to someone like Picard like he and the Enterprise appeared to the Mintakans.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

When holodecks were introduced in TNG, they were presented as brand-new bleeding-edge technology that the characters had never even heard of before. This was reinforced by the fact that they almost immediately got a major update from the Bynars and also had a bunch of weird bugs and glitches to deal with.

Voyager, which was only a few years newer, had an obviously more advanced holographic system, with emitters in sickbay and whatnot.

IIRC, other, even newer, ships had holoemitters all over the ship. Clearly, the technology was rapidly advancing and proliferating in the TNG era.

As for Discovery nonsense, ¯\_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Take out a single hollow relay and the whole ship goes down lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I feel like most of the objections could be satisfied by having non-essential holodeck stuff in rooms only.

So you have a bed and lighting and core furnishings without it. But you get to use the holodeck to adjust all that to your taste, decorate the room, and othewise make the space yours. Maybe you get a virtual companion if you are lonely.

OTOH, I think replicators are already capable of doing most of what would be done by the in-room holodeck in that case.

To me the energy needs don't really matter since energy consumption only matters in emergencies in Star Trek usually. If the first things you lose when there are power issues are your decorations and your virtual companion, I think that's OK...

Edit - and in the limited space available to a personal cabin even in the Trek universe - it would be cool for your kitchen to be able to become your movie room with a simple voice command, or a personal gym, or an extension to your main living area during a party, etc...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A) waste of energy

B) horrible source of possible complications, problems and Desasters.

Guess that's already enough reasons. Good idea though.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Warships need to be able to keep functioning even if they take damage, loss of power, etc. A holographic system seems to be fragile, and requires lots of other ship systems to be fully functional.

Not to mention energy use, purpose-built compartments probably use less energy just to exist

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

OG Discovery had some kind of combat simulator (kind of a proto-holodeck) that Lorca and Tyler used to train for a mission.

After the 31st century refit, the cabins used programmable matter for their furniture, etc. My understanding is that programmable matter is the transistor to the holodeck's vacuum tube (i.e. it made holograms obsolete). Ok, I said that, but there are advanced holograms at HQ, so I guess holography hasn't gone totally out of style. I don't recall if it was ever established as such, but my head canon is that programmable matter is more efficient for "static" objects since it doesn't need energy to maintain form, just when it changes (unlike holograms which require constant energy). That would explain why PM is used for furnishings/decor and holograms are still used for humanoid constructs.

As for why all rooms aren't holodecks/suites in the 24th century, probably due to power consumption. In VOY 4x18 "The Killing Game", the Hirogen had Harry Kim expanding the holo emitters throughout the ship which seemed to be putting considerable strain on the ship's power system (despite not being in battle or at high warp; perhaps not in warp at all -- been a minute since I saw that episode).

While the Prometheus had ship-wide holo emitters and seemed fine power-wise, there's a difference between projecting an EMH (or two) versus simulating an entire environment plus the associated NPCs.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

As for why all rooms aren’t holodecks/suites in the 24th century, probably due to power consumption.

It's been a while and I might not remember correctly. Wasn't there an episode in Voy? with holographic lifeforms that rebelled against their creators and lived inside a flying holodeck ship? And there was that Insurrection movie in which a whole village was teleported into a giant holodeck ship.

It seems possible.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Wasn't there an episode in Voy? with holographic lifeforms that rebelled against their creators and lived inside a flying holodeck ship?

Yep. But the ship was just projecting the holographic lifeforms and not an entire environment. Probably used a bit less power than a full-blown, ship-wide holodeck. Life support (which seems to require a lot of power in the Trek universe) on the ship may also have been minimal since they didn't need it. It was still online, at least in certain areas, since B'Elanna was able to survive when she was shanghai'd aboard.

And there was that Insurrection movie in which a whole village was teleported into a giant holodeck ship.

Also yep. There was also a TNG episode with the whole village Worf's (human/adopted) brother was embedded into that was was stealth transported into the D's holodeck and moved to a new planet.

I'm not saying it's impossible to make every cabin a holo-suite, just that in most cases, it would seem to be impractical. i.e. Awesome, but Impractical

Edit: If you've seen PIC, they actually do make at least some of the cabins holo-suites. The cabin Picard is assigned is made up to look like a room in his chateau. I think that room is special, though (might even be the captain's quarters that Rios gave up/didn't use) since Raffi's and Rios's cabins seemed standard for a starship of that size/class. I don't think we saw any other cabins aboard La Sirena. That, or they didn't have enough cabins and just stuck Picard in the ship's holodeck lol.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

@Krik @ptz Yeah, the Hirogen made a Holodeck ship. I think the ship the holograms took over was more just a regular Hirogen ship with holographic projectors in it but the hologram ship really demonstrated the possibilities.

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Considering how often a single holodeck tries to take over the ship/kill its occupants/malfunctions, the fewer the better.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The higher the fewer, even.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What if we use a holodeck to simulate a holodeck so that if one breaks down, they try to kill each other and leave us alone?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Like a virtual machine kinda deal?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, exactly. It seems like it would be safer.

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