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Around the world, progressive parties have come to see tight immigration restrictions as unnecessary, even cruel. What if they’re actually the only way for progressivism to flourish?

That the era of low immigration was also the era of progressive triumph is no coincidence. [...] The United States felt more like a cohesive nation to many voters, with higher levels of social trust and national pride, and politicians were able to enact higher taxes on the rich and new benefits like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Only reading the headline, I wonder if a political party could survive just by gesturing at various current situations incredulously and asking "is this really what you want?!"

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yep NYT, what if for progressivism to flourish it needs to be less progressive and more reactionary and fascist?

Deep thoughts with The Deep.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children)

It does, actually. Democracies should bend to the will of the people, after all. The only way to remain sort of progressive when the public demands that you compromise your principles is obvious: You simply have to compromise.

I know you disagree with that, when the people are wrong you think the progressives should make the decisions while the people should be lectured.

Edit: Yeah go ahead and keep not listening to the public YOU FUCKING IDIOTS. Stay a minority, keep losing, lose it all. Gay rights, women's rights, worker's rights and more.

You'd rather leave the reins in the hands of literal Nazis than turn immigrants away. The amount of pro immigration pressure from certain progressives is fucking ridiculous, it's absolutely wild how much of a death grip you have on the gate, keeping it as open as you can, and with the other hand holding back the boot that tries to kick some out, you hold it back for dear fucking life.

I feel so fucking betrayed by the absolute incompetence and denial that seems to be defining the left right now.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That image looks like it would make a badass isometric game.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Sounds like theyre winning by giving voters what they want. Voters want social benefits, they do not want immigration, simple as. Concerns over immigration have got to the point in some countries where people are voting for conservative parties because they promise less immigration, or just to not let criminals walk the streets, even though they like other left policies.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

How come it's always nazi apologists with these takes..

Ok big brain - who's gonna provide those social benefits in a country with an aging population and no immigration?

This sounds like the whole Brexit thing where folk voted to keep immigrants out and were then shocked when social services went even more to shit when they realized half of NHS staff were foreigners...

If you were arguing to solve global inequality and climate change by dismantling western imperialism and by radically reducing their material consumption so that people didn't need to emigrate - then we would agree - but your current stance just sounds like social security for me but not for thee..

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Just look at the current Danish government, it's a coalition "across the middle", but in reality it just means that the social democrats (Socialdemokratiet of which Mette Frederiksen is party leader), has turned more and more right wing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

easy. the danish "liberals" adopted nationalist policies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

you’re looking for liberalism in social democracy?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Social democracy is literally a branch of liberalism

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

third way maybe, but that’s 80s new labour BS while denmark’s is very well-rooted in the old left and standard version of social democracy

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

i'll start looking for jesus in such cursed times.

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