i see there's a lot of astroturfing in this thread, that's disappointing
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Because Danish people are happy, and happy people are more reasonable
It's always been immigration, people. I've been saying it for years. Everyone, even the most liberal, has a breaking point when it comes to how much immigration they can tolerate before they feel like they are losing their way of life. And the amount of people who would migrate to the developed world if they could is basically unlimited, which ensures that every non-restrictive immigration program will eventually be overwhelmed.
I don't hate immigrants, I love and respect them and I reject the racist narratives of the right. But every country needs to have reasonable restrictions on immigration-especially illegal immigration- or eventually the people will radicalize against immigrants. You can say that's unfair but it's just the facts. Source: every nation that has ever experienced immigration waves.
Sure, but I think it's also true that the high demand for immigration means we should consider increasing quotas on immigration. Make it easier to immigrate legally, while at the same time cracking down on illegal immigration. So a little from both extremes of the issue.
I agree with that, up to a reasonable level. Of course, that is where things get tricky because "reasonable" can mean different things to different people.
As a socialist from Denmark, what convinced me to stop supporting immigration was the realization that we're going to see an overwhelming increase in immigration due to climate change, because enormous parts of northern Africa and the Middle East will become uninhabitable. The increase in climate refugees coupled with our absolutely appaling integration policies, made by right-wing parties over the last 30 years, has convinced me we will absolutely fail misserably if we don't stop.
My politicians are simply too inept to be able to handle it, and it will destroy my country in the process.
It is hard to read someone acknowledge that some of the reasons people seek refuge is directly result from the wealthiest nations fucking up the planet for profit while the firsts to take the effects are the poor nations that very little contributed to said catastrophe and goes:
"sorry, there is no space for you. It is true that we are ripping the fruit of centuries of imperialism and unchecked destruction of nature and sorry that it affects you guys the most, but we cannot make space and give up the way of life that we killed the planet for"
I don't disagree with that, and I think it's a horrible situation it's putting everyone in, obviously by far the most horrible situation for the people whose home is going to become inhabitable. But realistically, Europe would have to take in too many people. The current population of Northern Africa is roughly 275 million, and the population of the Middle East 500 million. Europe currently has about 742 million people. Doubling that in refugees won't just change our way of life. Society would collapse. Sure, a bunch could go to Asia, but they're already seeing a noticable increase in weather related catastrophes. So I'm not seeing that as a real posibility.
Yeah, same thing in America too, conservatives would rather run on "immigration is broken" as an issue than actually take productive steps to make immigration work. Ultimately, they know that positioning themselves as the anti-immigration party during an immigration crisis is a winning play.
Why do you think the USA wants to invade Canada? It solve the problem of where their wealthy can move for a while.
Every liberal party that went stricter on immigration lost votes to the fascists in the last election in germany last week.
sauce? Conservative CDU went hard and won, the center-right–liberal FDP did far worse things and lost, while the Left Party is having record soaring membership.
The CDU had the second worst result since the unification of Germany. And FDP also talked bullshit about immigration. I am confused what you want a source for?
IMO "second worst result" for the winning party is more an indication of Germany's growing plurality. And the FDP has way bigger problems with their "d-day" exit fiasco.
I am confused what you want a source for?
A broad correlation that parties who went hard on immigration performed worse (especially when compared to those that went loose, like the Greens).
? The Greens did also go stricter on immigration.
Because the Danes are well educated.
"How do progressives win? By being less progressive!"
Am i really reading this? Is it onion-adjacent? Is there a hidden camera somewhere?
No, progressives win by not allowing the breakdown of social cohesion to the point that everyday people are wondering what happened to their culture. Places with leftist politicians who acknowledge that their culture has value (like Denmark and Québec) are doing just fine.
Hahahahahaha hot damn are you in for it son! Nah who am i kiddin, you'll be be standing with them when they start knockin on doors won't ya?
I'm a union executive and activist for multiple causes like Right to Repair and accessibility-first design of public services. I'm not worried about people questioning my creds.
My culture values speech, equal rights, good public services, and secularism. This is the bare minimum I expect of any newcomer: I do not want people who do not value those things in my culture.
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