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Okay, this is not an iPhone vs Android Phone debate. I respect your right to choose whichever platform that you want.


I mean, iPhone seems so antithetical with the idea of freedom. You have to connect it to a server to even use it, all apps have to go through a centralized server, no option to install whatever apps you want, which means, you literally cannot have any third-party apps without an online account.

Most of my fellow americans seems to love the idea of freedom so much, yet just buy into a closed ecosystem with no freedom? 🤔

Like almost 60% of Americans use iPhone, kinda weird to preach freedom when you cant even have an app without a corporation's approval. If it were any other country, I wouldn't find it weird, but for a country that's obsessed with the idea of freedom (so much so that they disobeyed mask mandates), it's really weird to be using a device with zero freedom.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)
  1. iphones are the first recognized "smartphone".
  2. apple is an american company.
  3. apple has a massive fanbase that is completely dedicated to apple and all their products.

i'm not sure what the global usage of apple products is, but i think here it's probably a lot higher than in other places. throw in the fact that there's only one device capable of (legally) running apple's mobile software, and there you have it.

also, their advertising didn't hurt either. no one on the android side had the kind of advertising they did until maybe 6 or 7 years later and by that time you were probably already well established in the iphone ecosystem.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They used to innovate, no doubt. But their products provide absolutely terrible value now. Great resale, sure. But you're overpaying 20% for the hardware you're getting which is not the case on the Android side. The only thing iPhone universally does better is 1) video and 2) ecosystem (if all your products are Apple). The rest is a tomaeto vs tomahto situation.

Not relevant to most basic users but I could not use a phone where I did not have the freedom to sideload apps, especially if I'm overpaying for the hardware.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It’s status. Apple is regarded as more expensive and high quality.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago

The answer is marketing by Apple and mobile carriers, which lean on peer pressure via iMessage. Plus the iPhone built on the success of the iPod, which led the market for mp3 players.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Mostly because of bullying. Android users are poor shamed.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Freedom is not one thing. The choice between iOS and Android is not a choice between zero freedom and unlimited freedom. You’re simply choosing which freedoms you want to prioritize.

I’m planning to switch to an Android device running an alternative OS with my next purchase after using iPhone exclusively since the 3g. That’s driven by a change in priorities: I want the freedom that comes from using a phone that isn’t a surveillance and advertising vehicle. For years now though, I’ve been enjoying the freedom of knowing my phone will continue to receive updates for a minimum of 5 years after I buy it new while some of my Android friends will be lucky if they get two.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Your definition of freedom is an interesting one

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yep! Like I said, freedom is more than one thing. The way this questions is framed tries to put the blinders on and obscure that fact, creating a false equivalency between the freedom to sideload software and some abstract notion of “absolute freedom” which doesn’t actually exist. We’re rarely choosing between absolute freedom and zero freedom, certainly not in this case.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The iPhone came out before Android, so Apple had first mover advantage it could solidify to a sticky user base.

Also, a "free" Android experience only occurs when you've got full control of everything. Android was a lot more willing to give up control to third parties, including carriers. With Apple, you're only giving control to one company.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think you overestimate the value of those first two years.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What else justifies 60% market penetration?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean apple has spent at least the last decade using iMessage as a way to bring people into the platform and keep them there. Ie the articles from a few years back about using it to manipulate teenager behavior a la Instagram, or the epic games discovery documents which indicated this was a deliberate and cruel strategy from apple to lock ignorant people into their platform to avoid losing their social network.

Tldr: they deliberately try to make people lose friends if they leave the platform. You might say "shit friends" and I'd agree, but this is the FUD that apple spreads.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

I can only speak for myself and my kids. I have an iPhone because my work gave me one for free. They only support iPhone for security reasons. Keeping Android devices up to date across a large fleet is challenging leaving security gaps. For my kids they wanted my old iPhones because it’s what all their friends have.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because they are easily gullible.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Whatever you say, Mr. President!

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