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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

In a solarpunk utopia I wont be having a job lol. (Hit me up if you want to repair a smartphone you found in the trash tho or for general support)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I read one of those as "Depraver". Having looked more closely, the future is now less interesting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm an Imagination Activist right now!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I hope the outfit comes with a job because it's stunning ✨

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (5 children)

“Local banker” Fucking hilarious. Nothing that banks do generates value to anyone outside of the banks themselves and the ultra wealthy. Just another ticking time bomb waiting for a bailout.

Bankers can go the way of the coal miners. Fucking rent seeking parasites.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

If you don’t like banks or the idea of a for-profit organization handling your money, check out credit unions! They’re non-profit and are generally “owned” by their members vis-á-vis the money in each member’s account, and they’re actually more focused on customer service and care than banks typically are. They’re not FDIC-insured, but they can be NCUA-insured which is literally the same thing but for CUs (read: your money is still safe up to $250k).

Also gonna shoutout Vanguard specifically if you want the same philosophy behind CUs but with an investment firm. They’re still for-profit, but Vanguard is also entirely “owned” by their members - not quite sure how it works like that, but apparently it does.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I too keep all of my money stuffed in my mattress.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Banks provide a lot of valuable resources. I don't want to be my own bank.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah it sucks. I loaned myself some money but didn't pay it back so I repoed my car.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

You can't let that shit fly. You've gotta break some legs when they don't pay.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I mean, even if you're against bank's utilizing funds deposited to give out loans, I think they still have an obvious core function.

I'd much rather have a secure facility to keep my money, rather than, like, under my mattress, right? If for no ther reason than it means I'm not broke if my house burns down.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Look up the cooperative banking movement. Lots of farmer coops have own banks. It all depends on who owns them and what they are used for.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Banker, idk i think we need to imagen something beyond money to really lay capitalism to rest. Replace "local Banker" with (tool) librarian and you can count me in. Even though I still would love to be a local Biohacker supporting the needs of my little commune while helping the global scientific Progress.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

money != capitalism

In economies where no official currency exists, some commodity always becomes a de facto currency so that people can make trades that are too complex for bartering (I'm not carrying 2000 bushels of corn on me, but if you'll accept these bits of metal in exchange for your plow, you can trade them for corn or whatever else you want).

Every concept that could theoretically replace this function is just currency again.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I disagree. There were money/curencyless societies. These societies had things like library and gift economies (concepts I support). While it is true that we can have money and a post-capitalist society, money or any concept which is pure resourc value. Can lead to an easement of resource accumulation which is one of the building blocks of capitalism. I am not that good at explaining stuff in comments, but Andrewism (a realy cool youtber whom introduced me to Solarpunk) made a video about whey we have to rethink our picture of early resource sharing (bartering) to be able to imagen a world beyond the restraints off currencies. https://piped.adminforge.de/watch?v=W-gdHrINyMU

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

There were money/curencyless societies.

Name 5, with populations higher than 10,000 and that were stable for >2 human lifetimes (~150 yrs).

Bartering only works in small volumes, for localized economies, with relatively small communities. It doesn't scale, and it isn't flexible enough to allow for more complex forms of work. For instance, what would a web server administrator barter to a farmer for food?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

As per andrewism, bartering works primarily off credit: I don't need to bring my four cows to trade for your 1000 bushels of corn because if I lie about the conditions of my cows there's gonna be an angry community at your back. Doing so inherently creates a high-trust society.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

bartering works primarily off credit

How is this "credit" not just a form of currency? Isn't it just a stand-in for the value of your cows that you want to trade?

Doing so inherently creates a high-trust society.

High trust maybe, but extremely localized. It requires that a person who wants to trade knows the reputation - the credit rating - of every other person they might trade with. This model of trade can't scale.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Banks do not need to be capitalist ventures at all. In fact, there is a proposal to turn all post offices into banks, which would make them literally state-run. Interest, investments, account insurance, access to your money, and loans are all things that have a proper place in a communal economy seeking to improve through development.

It does look a little odd alongside these other jobs though, this art seems to be speculating that global environmental collapse will shrink our society down to farming communes too small to benefit from loans and interest.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

It's not banks per se that need to go, it's usury, or interest.

Banks can still find profit and not charge interest, see the entire Arab world.

It's creating money out of thin air. Someone's good will isn't good will when you're forced to pay 125 back on 100 loan. That 25 gets counted towards GDP, even tho nothing was created or there's nothing temporal to show for it, lessoning the value of all currency. Usury is skimming off the top, eventually the whole container is empty.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I hope the Solar Chef is using adequate sunscreen. The sun is trying to kill us all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't know what an Ocean Protector is, but all I am getting out of it is piracy and I am in. Hoist my main sail, let's go!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Once everyone leaves behind streaming with their stash kept locally in their houseboats, and corpos and banks keep their assets permanently submerged in underwater server farms, a new age of digital piracy will begin!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

How do I get paid as an imagination activist?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Right now the closest thing possible is being a futures designer. Check the courses in domestika , hit me up if you want them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You ask the Local Banker for some of their Local Money (aka scrip)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Ah, makes sense that an imagination activist would get paid with imaginary money.