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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

7 out of 11 countries believe the end of the USSR harmed their countries rather than benefited them

Reflecting back on the breakup of the Soviet Union that happened 22 years ago next week, residents in seven out of 11 countries that were part of the union are more likely to believe its collapse harmed their countries than benefited them. Only Azerbaijanis, Kazakhstanis, and Turkmens are more likely to see benefit than harm from the breakup. Georgians are divided.

Hungary: 72% of Hungarians say they are worse off today economically than under communism

A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country's economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country's switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary's integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process.

Romania: 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism

The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied.

Germany: more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR

Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.

28 percent of Czechs say they were better off under the Communist regime

Roughly 28 percent of Czechs say they were better off under the Communist regime, according to a poll conducted by the polling institute SC&C and released Sunday.

81% of Serbians believe they lived best in Yugoslavia

A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -”during the time of socialism”.

Majority of Russians

The majority of Russians polled in a 2016 study said they would prefer living under the old Soviet Union and would like to see the socialist system and the Soviet state restored.


The above memes are almost always made by Americans, whose brains are riddled with red scare brainworms and are completely devoid of any knowledge or understand of what the left thinks in Europe because Americans do not have a left.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

7 out of 11 countries believe the end of the USSR harmed their countries rather than benefited them

That's because USSR was designed intentionally so that its end would be a catastrophe. To prevent that end. However, since it was simply unable to exist further even on life support, what happened happened still.

End of USSR being bad doesn't mean USSR being good. It's just a choice between horrible end and horror without end.

I live in Russia and you do not.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I live in Russia and you do not.

Which area of Russia do you live in and what do the local people over 60 that actually lived in the USSR have to say? I already know of course and could post video interviews of such, but perhaps you could tell the thread what those people say.

Forgive me for assuming but I'm willing to bet you're in your teens or twenties, making you at best 10 years old when it ended, meaning you have little to no actual recollection of what living and working was like. I could be wrong of course.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And? Socialism does not mean not having a multiparty system. I get that you're trying to imply that approving of a multiparty system or a market economy is somehow evidence of being against socialism but both of those things exist under socialism. Yugoslavia was a market economy in eastern europe under socialism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yugoslavia was a market economy in eastern europe under socialism.

There was a limited amount of pseudo-private "workers collective" (OOUR) companies starting from the mid 70s all the way to the breakup. It was certainly not a market economy in any meaningful way. The entire economy was propped up by foreign loans, which was a cause of so much inflation that the currency had to be re-adjusted twice, starting from the late 60s.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This is getting too semantic for my liking we would argue all day about whether Tito's efforts were a market economy or not. You acknowledge that market economies and multiple parties do exist in socialist countries though correct?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The word "Socialism" is too broad to be useful here, it can refer to democratic socialism, which is the dominant political stance in Nordic countries, so yes, market economies and social programs can co-exist.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hungarian here. We had ten good years, then the same ruling class started to do the same shit they did back then but under a different name. But at least nowadays you can leave the country, which many do since -- the frequent attempts to do so were an important cultural touchstone here in the 45 years of soviet occupation.

Trust me, no one wants the same shit back, that's just a political talking point propping up Orbán's pro-russian bullshit.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Of course nobody wants the same shit, I don't want the same shit either, I know for sure that the hard left of mszp sit around where I am. Things can be so much better.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah, yes, the opinion poll, the best way to measure things objectively.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I'm sorry do you have any other way for scientists to measure opinion?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

These polls are really out of date. These numbers have since improved substantially in capitalism’s favour.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

These polls are really out of date. These numbers have since improved substantially in capitalism’s favour.

Feel free to give citations that are better than 2010-2016 lmao.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

According to the absolute majority of respondents (54%), the majority of Hungarians had a better life under the Kádár regime (pre-1990) than today

The Kádár regime was the communist government.

there were even more respondents (61%) who said that the conditions for individual financial prosperity were more favorable under the Kádár regime.

lol

It is also worth noting that almost two-thirds of Hungarians (63%) said that there was predictable order and social peace under the Kádár regime

lmao

I like this research. Thanks for sharing.

EDIT:

The older an age group, the higher the proportion was of those who agreed that the majority lived better before the regime change. A significant correlation can be observed when looking at the educational background: citizens with lower education tend to believe that most Hungarians lived better under Kádár. Among the lowest qualified citizens, 62 and 27 percent are the share of the two sides, but even according to the relative majority of graduates (45%), most Hungarians lived better before 1990 than today.

So the older the Hungarian the more likely they are to believe that things were better under communism. So the people that actually lived in communism support it even more. Oh and the more educated people are the more likely they are to support that position too. I think the age thing will explain why the stat is slipping over time, the people that actually lived in communism are the people that support it more, and as they are dying they are being removed from the data.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Communism isn't the issue the same way Capitalism isn't the issue, the issue is rich people abusing working class and poor people. Removing democracy from these systems just make them absolutely horrid in the long run. Also China isn't communist it's state capitalist dictatorship.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

comment section frustratingly filled with McCarthy-brained liberals who have never critically examined their preconceptions about communism

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I guess I just really don't understand the draw. Communism is a nice thought, until actual people are involved. People are corruptible, which is why communism is seen as utopian. It's an ideal that only works under perfect circumstances.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I guess I just really don’t understand the draw. ~~Communism~~Capitalism is a nice thought, until actual people are involved. People are corruptible, which is why ~~communism~~capitalism is seen as utopian. It’s an ideal that only works under perfect circumstances.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yes, I don't disagree, except far more people benefit from our form of capitalism, and you don't see the death numbers you do from the absolute rule that communism demands.

This isn't to say there isn't any death due to capitalism. Or any strife, just certainly not on the same scale. I would say out biggest death toll comes at the hands of our military-industrial-complex being capitolistic.

The problem is, there's nothing better yet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Add up chattel slavery, Trail of Tears, proxy wars, not-so-proxy wars, the general condition of the M-I-C you've mentioned, the general plight of the Global South, etc etc etc, and get back to me. I'm not sure the advantage is so definitive as you assert. "Externalities", the economists call them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

A meme like this is what happens when you believe the GOP that doing anything to benefit regular people is communism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Meanwhile, Eastern Europeans:

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Based comrade

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Thats exactly what i feel when i hear anything good about communism, it killed so many people in Ukraine... NEVER AGAIN!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Didn't the USSR just do state capitalism, and not actual communism or socialism? And weren't they also totalitarian & also not a democracy? Are people actually asking for what was happening in astern Europe or something else?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In Germany the left leaning parties want that shit. It sucks. They side with Russia atm as well and a lot of them just have this odd nostalgia for the time

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

not to defend them, but capitalism is not doing very good recently, so that might give them points

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, I know. I'm not a fan of that myself.

But the idea that current day Russia has it better is insane. The Propaganda has survived through 30 years of non existence

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

There is a difference between Russia, communism and an authoritarian/totalitarian regime.

Communism is not necessarily authoritarian or totalitarian.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wish we could look at what the ussr did right and how it worked around its restrictions without rose tinted glasses. Some central planning of efficient railways and large industrial machinery might not be a bad idea. Lezz a fair doesn't always produce great results. Walkable neighborhoods and commie blocks aren't such a bad idea but fascist dictators are.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Say what you will about the USSR, but it took a bunch of peasant farmers under exploitative monarchy and literally rocketed them into a global superpower in, what, 2 generations? While weathering the immediate tangible effects of two world wars, and staying competitive against the capitalistic world power that remained virtually untouched in both wars and casually claimed industrial supremacy by virtue of that fact.

How great can capitalism be if the capitalists had a multi-century head start, better natural resources, advantageous geography, a bigger population, and it was still close?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

A lot of eastern Europeans actually miss/look back fondly on the USSR days.... I'm not exactly a fan of them or other "communist" regimes, as they were all basically thinly veiled dictatorships, but standard of living was higher for most of the former block countries.

I really don't get all the china dick riding going on. I gotta think it's driven by bots and Chinese netizens. The west is a little unfair on their views of China, but they grab descenters with secret police and quash any form of opposition to their one party system. People who praise them and act like that's a better system are crazy. Really wish we could build some decent highspeed rail network in America though...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Meanwhile in the real world

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