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Yo Zelenskyy!
You haven't lost all of us. There are still those who support the Ukranian people and believe in your efforts.
Ironic how people shat on Russians for not standing up to their government only for the US to do the same.
Sorry Ukraine. Turns out most of the US is either just fucking evil, or not bothered enough by evil to lift a fucking finger to stop it.
I really thought we were better than this. We've failed the entire planet.
The crazy half is in control right now and there's not much we can realistically do. With the amount of Republicans who like the current situation and bootlickers who are indifferent protests or other means aren't likely to affect anything. Maybe if the US slides into another great depression public sentiment can shift enough to make a change but until then no one should be treating us like a rational country.
The crazy half is in control right now and there's not much we can realistically do.
That's defeatist. There is a lot that can be done. You could pressure your representatives to gum up congress so much with filibusters, and unnecessary votes to slow down what Trump can actually get done. You could join the democratic party with others and start demanding that they change from within. You could support local or internet grassroots campaigns who resist Trump. If the only thing you're going to do over the next four years is wait to vote Democrat again then there's not much you're realistically Willing to do.
I have been, Trump's not really using congress he's EO banging and violating the constitution and courts are slow to react, if they even will stop him. Even in congress you have to convince Republican congresspeople whose constituents LIKE what's happening.
I never said give up. Keep trying. Just other countries shouldn't be expecting this shit to work and the US to magically be rational again in a couple months. We could be under a Republican dictatorship, a military coup, or a civil war in the next couple years for all I know. We're unstable.
What should an individual American do?
Answering that directly would be a violation of rule #6.
What should the individual German citizen have done in the 1920s and 1930s to prevent the Nazis from rising to power and/or to resist them once they were in power? Cuz... that.
Pretty sure you could answer my question without breaking any rules.
I mean, part of the answer isn't against the rules: leave your cell phone at home.
It's fine for you to suggest Americans should take up arms against their government.
That said, do you really think the individual American should do that?
'We've lost a partner and a friend"
Canada has similar feelings.
But we still support our Ukranian friends, despite the crisis our downstairs neighbor is experiencing.
When I went to Greece, I was surprised to see footage of the war on TV. In the US we'd never see anything like this. We are really isolated from the reality of what is going on in the world and the consequences of our actions. This makes it easier for our government to create policy that is wrong and immoral.
Absolutely. We need to go to websites like krudplug or kaotic in order to see actual war footage.
I think it's intentional. If more Westerners could see the horrors of war outside of hollywood movies, they might be more inclined to stop it.
When you say footage, do you mean like actual combat footage? If so I think that's excellent. You are absolutely right the US is completely isolated from the reality of unpleasantness that is often in the world, often because of us. Our only exposure to real evil and violence is in movies and TV and everything else is 'tastefully' censored. So we debate policy like war and diplomacy completely isolated from the actual reality that those policies create.
Nah, we just have the same enemies..
Here's hoping Europe continues to step up on behalf of Ukraine.
Fuck I am naively hoping elections in Germany and Canada go well...
Im honestly scared. I’ve been hopeful towards every election, but that hope is gone. The left has been surging in polls but I’m fearing a cdu+afd government.
Probably smells so bad
No wonder Michelle Obama doesn't show up to Presidential events anymore if she doesn't have to.
Not gonna get those minerals now, Trump. Either Ukraine deals them to someone else, or Putin claims them for himself.
And I think you're seeing this ending up a whole lot differently than I am. I think Trump and Putin carved up Ukraine in their phone call. That Russia isn't going to allow any troops but Americans into Ukraine to secure the "negotiated peace", that they will threaten to fire on any NATO country that sets foot in Ukraine except for the Americans. Russia will keep what they invaded and took plus some, the US will get to rape Ukraine of it's rare earth minerals in the rest using Ukranian ports to export them to the US under the guise of reparations for aid given in the last 3 years. That's how I see it playing out. Europe is going to have to decide how important Ukraine is to it, and given European history, they talk a big game, but when it comes down to it, they'er going to decided to protect their own borders, rather than forcing their way into the meat grinder between the US and Russia.
I agree with everything you wrote, but I don't think they carved up only Ukraine in that phone call. At least all of Europe, possibly the entire world.
The joke is, there is no rare earth deposits that can be immediately used or it will make sense to exploit. Minerals were just a pretext to gove muskovites everythong they want, problem is it probably won't work, due to trump and his stellar teams being even dumber then everyone expected them to be.
We went east two times before. So you can't say we never tried.
Three times a charm.
The most interesting problem now is, the biggest dependable Nato partner which is left is Turkey. Lets see how that pans out.
Not a bad take.
The problem here is that the US doesn't need Ukraine for any of those things. They have their own deposits. The problem is that the US or Ukraine and everyone else does not have any significant capacity to process these minerals -- China does. You're not building a rare-earths refinery in Ukraine during a war or occupation -- too easy of a target. So unless the US builds such a beast at home, it's entirely irrelevant what Ukraine has or otherwise.
Furthermore, as a nervous Canadian, I worry about the same stupid rhetoric being used on us. We don't produce rare earths, because we don't process rare earths. But damn do we have a lot of potential deposits. Trump only sees the value of the potential deposit and not the actual produced products. It's boneheaded but they don't care.
May I ask: where do you and @[email protected] learn yourselves up?
Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, The Economist, MIT International Security Journal…? Would love a lil digest of all
The problem here is that the US doesn't need Ukraine for any of those things. They have their own deposits.
Trump doesn't actually care. That's just a cover for his real goal, which, just like his idol Putin, is a purely megalomaniacal/narcissistic desire to be remembered in history as "[Trump|Putin] the Great" for expanding the size of their respective empires.
Trump couldn't care less which of Ukraine, or Gaza, or Greenland, or the Panama Canal Zone, or Canada that he gets a piece of, as long as he gets something. And if he fails at all of those, expect him to make up even more bullshit excuses to send the US on even more imperialist adventures.
You're not wrong. I just like to point out the actual logical folly now and again so that people in the middle (if any are left) can see the folly.
I suspect Trump hopes Putin will give him 20% anyway
It wasn’t a real deal anyway. Like Dr Evil asking for one hundred billion dollars.
Yeah. The "plan" was for Ukraine to refuse the horrifically bad deal. But, instead, Zelenskyy et al understood they are in a fight for survival and would rather be free beggars than slaves and breeding stock to putin.
Unfortunately, trump was going for the latter so he had to make up new excuses to eventually join russia's side in the war.
