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Hello everyone, I'd like your recommendations for a note taking app that:

  • Can be selfhosted
  • Stores the notes as plain text or *.md files, not some SQL database.
  • Can use Marddown format.
  • Have an android client or at least a mobile optimized web-interface.
  • Not a must but it would be nice to have a to-do list option.

I tried:

  • Trilium: use an encrypted litesql to store the notes.
  • Joplin: does not encrypt the notes, but store them in random named directories, making ot harder finding the notes.
  • Logseq: No firefox support, I did not check how it stores itsdatabase.
  • Standard note: Needs subscription to selfhost or to even use markdown format, otherwise it is a heavy text editor.
  • Memos: does not store plain files, instead uses a (sqlite probably) database even when setting local filesystem as current object storage.
  • CodiMD: use database to store its notes
  • Hedgedoc: the same as above
  • Silverbulet.md: This is what I will end up using if Obsidian + syncthing was not for me,It is minimal without losing much features and can be enhanced with plug-ins. . It does need a bit of getting used to and it does not have an android app but can it can be run as PWA that runs offline. The only downside is it does clutter your note directory with a bunch of dot files (if you decided to install plug-ins).

The closest I found so far is Obsidian, which:

  • Unfortunately, does not have any selfhosting option.
  • Have a client app on every platform and store.
  • Can use a custom directory to store it database as plain text files, which can be a network mounted directory (on my laptop/desktop) or a directory on my android phone that i will have to keep synchronized using a third party app.
  • I used "Remotely Save by fyears" which allows you to synchronize local obsidian note directory with a cloud directory (onedrive, dropbox, webdav...), It requires webdav for self-hosted options, kinda forcing you to use a 3th party service to run a 3rd party plug-in so you can use Obsidian with your home server directory. On top of that It can only use a folder on the root of the webdave server (say /notes instead of /documents/notes).
  • I used syncthing initially to sync my Notes directory but I ended up using it to keep a buch of directories in sync across all my devices. Leaving you to use whatever app you like on any device, not just Obsidian.

Edit: March-2nd: added memos, codimd, hedgedoc Edit: March-9th, It has been a busy week and I could not do much. I added silverbullet and both syncthing adn remotly-save for obsidian. I'm using now Silverbullet and Obsidian+syncthing until I decide on one. Thank you everyone who helped me choosing.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For standard notes, its got an auto-export plaintext file option on desktop. Were you wanting two-way editing of plaintext? (e.g. Auto export and import)

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

You sound like me from last month. I strongly recommend silverbullet, check it out on https://silverbullet.md

  • Can be selfhosted

Check, even has a simple docker compose

  • Stores the notes as plain text or *.md files, not some SQL database.

Check, it does have an SQL database, but it's used for queries, you can even copy or modify MD files at will

  • Can use Marddown format.

Check, it's a superset of markdown that includes queries for cool stuff like create tables that group data from other pages

  • Have an android client or at least a mobile optimized web-interface.

Check, it has a PWA that works offline and syncs when back online. Note that this means that all files will be on your device if you use it like that, but that's expected.

  • Not a must but it would be nice to have a to-do list option.

Check, like I mentioned you can query all tasks on all pages and even do filters based on several factors, like where the task is defined or extra attributes that you set to them, e.g. priority.

Edit: bonus points:

  • The main developer is active here https://lemmy.world/post/11816898
  • Also he's very active on discord and always answering questions
  • Easily extensible with plugins and simple JavaScript functions, e.g. very easy to write a function to import a section of a page
  • You can have multiple instances in sync with syncthing (just exclude the databases from syncing)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

PWA that works offline and syncs when back online. Note that this means that all files will be on your device

Someone else mentioned Silverbullet, I hosted on my home server and it looks promising, here are a few thing I will need to explore:

  • The PWA sound like a feature I was hoping, i will need to check it out
  • Is there any android client rather than using the web-interface that firefox wont let me connect to remotely without a valid certificat.
  • While it looks easy to use markup language using /, I'm wondering is there is a plugin that add a tool bar or a client app that does have it.

Thank you for your comment

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Is there a way to embed portions of one page into another page, such that if you edit it on either the change shows up on both, like in logseq?

The documentation is actually pretty good, but i've not been able to find that feature, if it exists. That's probably the last thing keeping me on logseq.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nextcloud Notes is pretty good. Btw Joplin has an option for End-to-end encryption.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's not exactly what I think you're looking for, but depending on what you are trying to do, maybe look at hackmd/codimd.

It's more like Google docs meets markdown formatting. It's goal is realtime collaboration but I've definitely used it for syncing todo lists with people.

Codimd is the self hostable version.

Oh, and I think there is a way to have it sync with a GitHub repo too, in case that is useful.

Links for convenience:

https://hackmd.io/#

https://github.com/hackmdio/codimd

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lots of good suggestions. I've also used memos, but wasn't a huge fan of how the notes were organized. Solid app and definitely worth a look.

https://github.com/usememos/memos

Edit: I'm holding out hope for when notesnook goes self-hosted.

Edit 2: after looking at my older instance I see they save the notes in a database and is not relevant to your question.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Obsidian + private GitHub repo hosting

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Obsidian + Syncthing is what I’ve settled on. Not perfect, but the best I’ve used.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Check out SiYuan. It's an open source, self hostabole version of Obsidian.

It uses a database on the backend but editing is done in Markdown and it can import / export Markdown files.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Obaidian + Syncthing will do the trick.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Obaidian + Syncthing will do the trick.

This will be my backup plan if nothing else work out.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For the past many years I've simply synced my notes across devices (originally from webDAV, currently Syncthing) and open them with my favourite Markdown editor for each platform. On my android phone it's Markor, and Marktext on desktop.

I've tried so many note taking apps but especially Joplin's weird renaming of my files cooled my enthusiasm for One App To Rule Them All. I do understand the attraction of it, I just prefer a simple setup where I'm not bound by any developer (team)’s whims.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I just prefer a simple setup where I’m not bound by any developer (team)’s whims.

This is my concern, if anything goes wrong with my favorite app I would just move on to another without much fuss.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

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Git Popular version control system, primarily for code
IP Internet Protocol
NAS Network-Attached Storage
SSL Secure Sockets Layer, for transparent encryption
TLS Transport Layer Security, supersedes SSL

4 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 13 acronyms.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

MD Files with git

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Silverbullet but you have to do your own authentication and TLS

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Honestly I just have a directory with markdown files I sync between my devices using syncthing.

For editing on pc I use neovim and for editing on phone I use markor.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This. This is the answer.

Directory with markdown files and syncthing.

Use whatever editors on whatever device.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is also what I use. It ticks all of OPs boxes, but it might be overkill if you just want notes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Actually, nextcloud is what introduced me to the markdown format. Hiwever, i found myself using NC for its note app only, hence i'm looking for a lightweight alternative.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

If you like obsidian, synching works well to at least selfhost your data.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I’ve fallen deep down the Silverbullet rabbit hole. Self hosted markdown editor but with built in dataview style querying (if you used Obsidian that will be familiar), accessible cross platform and with a progressive web app, and basically endlessly extendable with a scripting language. Really really enjoying it and it’s made me finally move from Obsidian, which I used to evangelize (and pay for the premium sync features). Definitely check it out. Silverbullet.md

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Third vote for Silverbullet here. I'm really enjoying using it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'm also on Silverbullet, and from OP's description it sounds like it could be a good fit. I don't use any of the fancy template stuff - just a bunch of md files in a directory with links between them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That. Looks. Incredible!

Thank you so much for sharing!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Logseq actually does not need to be run in a browser, there are apps for every system. It does not have any sync server to host though (so far) so you have to use syncthing or something to have your notes available between devices. It does store notes in .md format with clearly labelled names so you always have access to them.

It does have a learning curve and android apps still do have some bugs to iron out, but I started to really like it and use it as my bullet journal.

The whole system of linking notes and even singular text blocks works really well in my mind. I can write a quick note about my health in today's journal file and tag it with #health and when I go to the health file it shows every mention of that tag from everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

+1 on Logseq and Sync Thing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I use Obsidian, you have mentioned it and it’s not self hosted, but for me that depends on how you look at it. I use it in a folder that’s synced to Nextcloud, so I consider the data self hosted markdown files. The viewer, i.e. the Obsidian app is not self hosted, but I consider that just a client used to view the data so it doesn’t really bother me.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Logseq has an Android app and clients for the usual desktop platforms. It stores as .md files. It meets your requirements. I'm not sure why you're focused on Firefox support?

One I have my eye on is Silverbullet.md. the creator recently promoted it here and it has some nice ideas. It's a web app that you self host. Behind the scenes everything is stored in .md files.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm getting a bit concerned with logseq. It's just kind of backwards to have a web app packaged as a desktop/android app that can be hosted on a server, but you can't store your files there. I get that they want to monetize sync, but they're kind of bending over backwards here to not have what's inherently a pretty reasonable feature in a web based app, and it makes me concerned about what they're going to do with the project in the future.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sucks that it doesn't have any authentication or TLS support

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use logseq. It has an Android app, and also desktop app (the latter being more complex). Also, it's plain markdown.

But you have to sync the different devices yourself and be careful not to run two instances at the same time.

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