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I had two BlackBerry devices for work, right about the time they were going away. I'd heard the keyboard was good on earlier models but it seemed like the quality had gotten pretty cheap on the later phones. The BlackBerry 10 OS on my last phone was actually pretty good, and probably would've kept them in the market if they'd launched it 5 years earlier.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I never had a blackberry, but gained a hatred of them. Not for anything the phone was, but at how bad at software they were. The blackberry software to allow them to read emails from the company mail server was an over bloated, buggy and slow POS. It would forever break and the solution was always to remove and re-add it which would take a day and disrupt email for everyone.

But some CEO "needed" to use a blackberry as it looked corporate.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's wild to me how hodgepodge the software was. It's the software equivalent of the Ford pinto, great and then boom! But for a long time it's all there was.

There were competitors, but nothing offered everything like the blackberry platform in the early 2000s, the (user facing) software and keyboard combo were nuts, and when the trackball was released (Curve? Pearl? Idk) it was like having a little computer in your pocket.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I used to be a mobile developer (mainly Windows CE, Android and iOS) but once in 2010 I got put onto a project producing a TV-guide-like app for Blackberry. I was absolutely blown away by how fucking awful the developer tools were. Even during the development phase, an app had to be fully signed before it could be deployed to a device and tested and the signing servers were almost always down or operating under a severe delay. Even worse was that the framework code was divided up into umpteen billion different modules, each of which had to be separately signed, so the more modules you made use of the longer your app took to be signed (I often found myself writing custom functions that should logically have been handled by the framework, just to avoid the inclusion of one more module). Some days, even a one-line change to your code took 30 to 40 minutes to get onto your device - or else it was impossible because the signing servers were completely down. They did have emulators but they were worse than the physical devices and everything still had to be signed anyway. I just got in the habit of making hours of changes and then deploying while I went to lunch and testing everything afterwards; definitely not a programming best practice but the only way to make it work.

The built-in UI tools were horrible and there wasn't anything that could be used for a TV guide, so I ended up having to do literally everything with Graphics primitives - although that was actually the fun part of the project. The most annoying thing was the 16-bit graphics, which probably made a bit of sense in 2003 but certainly not in 2010. And of course Blackberry was crashing and dying at that point anyway, so my work was pretty much useless.

The scroll wheel was awesome, though. It allowed for a super-precise UI controlling aspect that just isn't possible with touchscreens.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I was pretty good with T9 back in the day, then the keyboard on the BB Pearl changed everything. I loved the keyboard on the BB Curve the best, banged out tons of messages with friends with BB messenger.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

I would unironically love that

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I used a Q10 as my first phone and I miss the keyboard so much, hopefully someone does something cool now ;)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I absolutely loved my passport. It was smooth, and it was a pleasure to use. the keyboard was amazing. At the time with bb10 os, it could do things android and apple could only dream of. Too bad they shit the bed with damn antenna desoldering it's self.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

If only they weren’t so greedy they could have built a nice ecosystem. The failure of BB10 had everything to do with people at the top being completely disconnected with the market.

I was part of a team in the university that was like a partnership with BlackBerry and our IT lab would code native BB10 apps for some Brazilian companies.

So what used to happen was that the professor responsible would have constant meetings with the BB team that sounded more like those companies cult-like brainwashing thing. I don’t know how to explain, but he’d come always excited that BB10 would take over the market because iOS devices had “lost” their status and hence become a “mainstream” device. They wanted to fit the niche of people owning a BB10 device for status reason, and because of that they were supposed to be very expensive.

I think anyone who remembers the devices knows they were priced higher than the most expensive iPhones and it just didn’t make sense. They didn’t have anywhere near the amount of apps that Android and iOS had already (and which were quite mature at that point), so instead they added an Android runtime in it and resorted to create hackathons where people would port their Android apps to BB10 and earn devices or other gifts. But the half-assed ported apps were terrible and riddled with bugs.

It all felt kind of scummy from the start, because they’d use this misleading advertising that their App Store had x million apps or something, but more than 90% of if were shitty ported apps that didn’t integrate with the system or half-asses apps that people uploaded to the store to get gifts or money (they also didn’t have any incentive to do any quality control in their store).

I still remember one lad we knew in the university who uploaded dozens of apps without consent from the actual owners that were just shitty old games and many packaged web-apps that were the same useless thing with different skins just to get the prizes.

Yet the people working in the labs were always brainwashed to think BlackBerry 10 was doing incredibly well, but whenever I looked on forums or Reddit everybody was talking about how crazy it was for anyone to buy it. Like… people wanted smartphones for the apps and although Facebook had a very limited BB10 version, Instagram for example never bothered with it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Un popular opinion when I had to support those damn things I actually hated the keyboards, always felt the keys where too small

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

What is this? A keyboard for ants?!?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You need to adjust your patterns to it, but when you do, oh boy is it convenient. I still can type on it blindly almost as quick as I do with full desktop keyboard, and I'm pretty quick with that

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It still blows my mind how fast my friends and I were able to text on feature phones with T9.

I wonder if the suggestions ended up shaping our language patterns.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

For reference I have large hands and throught the original huge Xbox "Duke" Controller was comfortable.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Oooooh guuurlll!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

The LG Env2 would have been the perfect smartphone form factor, change my view.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

LG had the best phones out of the box, hands down. But as soon as they're updated, they turn to shit. Excellent hardware, shitty after-sale support. I think that's what killed their phones.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I really enjoyed my Sidekick from TMo. Great device to play Google roulette back when feature phones were king.

But the dual slide on the Helio Ocean was pretty dope too. The screen was just too small for most people to care.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Yes, the sidekick LX was the perfect phone, it's too bad they shit the bed when they tried to bring it back with Android.

As far as androids with keyboards, the Moto Droid and the HTC G2 really hit the sweet spot. They are tiny little things though compared to current flagships.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Surely you mean the slider style of the Xperia X1 and not the more common folding style of the LG

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Loved that phone! I had a little gamepad for it that would click onto the keyboard. I ran emulators on it, perfect for my daily commute to uni.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

It was the first good phone. It was great to have the Verizon marketing thrown at an Android flagship phone.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Oooh I might look into that once my 3310 dies

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Blackberry's design patents have expired as well. So you can go nuts.

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