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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago (6 children)

More than that, we completely transformed the native ecology of places such that they're nearly unrecognizable from what they once were. Native plants only occupy a tiny, tiny slice of the ecology that they used to, thanks to invasive introductions that came either accidentally or deliberately with livestock and agricultural imports. I know that in California, many of the plants the native people depended on are difficult to find anymore, and are almost never deliberately cultivated. We also took deliberate, calculated steps over decades to eradicate their cultures, and since very little was ever written down, it was largely successful.

In spite of all that, AFAIK there IS at least a Dine restaurant that they're using to try and teach their own people and others about their traditional culinary and food-ecology practices.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Odd take because plenty of communities have lower populations and still have restaurants of their cuisine. But also because there are a bunch of native cuisine restaurants.

It doesn't help that a relatively equal society without extreme division of labor is probably not producing cuisine on the same level as cultures with extreme inequality. A class of jealous and idle nobles with personal chefs trying to outdo each other does a lot to push culinary experimentation.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Canadian Native here, if anyone ever has the chance to try moose meat, do it! It's easily my favorite meat, I'd take moose over a t-bone or prime rib every single time. If I had to eat it every single day for the rest of my life I'd die with a smile on my face. You can make steaks out of it, make ground moose burger, cut it into small slices and stew it, or one of my favorite treats, turn it into smoky jerky etc. Lot's of different ways to cook it.

The taste is hard to describe, it's a bit gamey but not overly so (at least to me, I grew up on the stuff) and it's very tender and flavorful. Tastes a bit like beef I guess but IMO much better.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All of Latin America: Y'alls cuisines aren't heavily influenced by native peoples's? Damn bro that sucks

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I fully accept I’m being a bit dense here, but what’s this guys point? There’s a good reason why there aren’t many Native American restaurants, and probably most of the world knows why…

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Tocabe in Denver is excellent too. It has some pretty unique flavor combinations going on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Thank you for the suggestion.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

lol, holy shit search that guy. He looks like he still wears short pants. Some rich douche with a real punchable face. ... fucking Polo logo on a baseball cap.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've seen plenty of food trucks but it was in the South West. So your mileage may vary.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are a number of Dinè(Navajo) food carts and trucks, but mostly people selling food out of their trunks in parking lots, or on Facebook market place here in NM. And Mexican/New Mexican/TexMex/CA Mex are all different versions of Native American foods. Tamales are a native food.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Mmm Tamales.

But yeah I'm not restricting my definition of restaurant to a building. That cuts off entire categories of awesome food.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There's Owamni in Minnesota. The food uses pre-colonial ingredients. So no dairy, eggs, wheat, etc. They also source the ingredients from indigenous farms

Edit: No chicken eggs

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (5 children)

No eggs? Are you telling me no one ate one if the more nutrient dense foods or are you saying it just doesn’t make it into cuisine because eggs wouldn't be common to people who didn't farm birds?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

The latter.

Owamni has fantastic food; the James Beard award was well deserved.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Four Corners area. Navajo fry bread, I still dream about it. Also the Smithsonian has a Native American museum with a great cafeteria, all things considered. It was under renovation last time I went. I hope it still good, if not better.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Because you arent looking?

We have a few here in my city... Maybe you just gotta actually go look around a bit more...?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's not the same everywhere. Chicago has one of the biggest restaurant scenes in the country and there aren't any Native American restaurants. There are a few Mexican restaurants that do one or two traditional dishes, but that's it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's surprising, there was one in the 50k pop town I grew up in.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Spent my first 30 years in Oklahoma. Never heard of or seen one.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Natv in Broken Arrow is pretty good.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (3 children)

To be more accurate, smallpox killed somewhere between like 65-95% of the native american population after contact with Europeans. And, of course, many of their remaining descendants ended up concentrated into reservations.

So, I imagine if you were going to find native american cuisine restaurants, they'd be rare but typically in and around reservations.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Guns, Germs, and Steel covers that in a brief but eye-opening way. When Hernando de Soto's crew first explored the Mississippi river in 1541 they wrote about all the people they found, but did not mention bison. A century later another set of Spanish explorers revisited the Mississippi and didn't record much at all about people, but commented on how prolific the bison were.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Worth noting GGS is incredibly poorly received in the anthropology community. If this was reddit most of the major history and anthro subs have a bot to debunk much of it.

Jarred Diamond, the author of GGS, is an eye doctor and bird expert. He isn’t a good source for this stuff.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

If you want to look into it the askhistorians FAQ is great

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Many reservations are far from the original habitat of the people living in them, (see Trail of Tears) so the food materials for their original cuisine can't be found or grown

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The initial Spanish expeditions had herds of pigs with them, which transmitted a ton of diseases to the natives. A hundred years later when other Europeans came the cities were almost completely depopulated.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

People are weirdly against this idea, I think because they believe it diminishes the deliberate genocide that came later, which it doesn't. The horrible truth is that disease spread through completely biologically defenseless populations starting in the late 15th century. By the time European countries were consolidating colonial power, the Native population had been obliterated by somewhere between 65–89%. Those aren't extremes, that's a range of completely plausible figures. The variance is so large because it's hard to tell how many people used to live in a place when disease, unaided, killed every person in every settlement in unthinkably huge areas. To say entire tribes disappeared is an understatement, entire networks of multiple cultures were wiped out so thoroughly that their memory is lost forever. The Native American population in 1800 was a small fraction of the number of people who once lived.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Didn’t Lewis and Clarke note how often they found abandoned settlements?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not sure about Lewis and Clark, but I have read that David Thompson did.

George Vancouver recorded beaches strewn with old human bones. Around the same time he wrote journal entries along the lines of, "Wow, look at all this rich, uninhabited land that would be ideal for settlements!" I don't recall Ol' George ever putting two and two together.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Even in the american mythos of the mayflower it mentions them surviving off established food caches and stores from abandoned settlements. People dont think much about that, but they werent left behind because the natives were so welcoming to the Pilgrims.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Their diminished population just made it a whole lot easier for Europeans to commit further atrocities

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago

Then kidnapped the remaining children and put them in "schools" where they only thing even attempted was to erase indigenous culture....

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 month ago (3 children)

"Most of them" is the understatement of the day. Our country killed nearly all of them.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm from Oklahoma and rarely saw a Native American. Saw an old guy in Chicago one time and we about shit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I've been living in Oklahoma for over 20 years now, and I've still never seen a Native American.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 month ago (6 children)

It is truly staggering the extent of the destruction we caused on the natives to this land.

Wiki says 96% of them were killed. That's something like 3.6 million humans were slaughtered.

And most all of their land taken.

It's an injustice in this country that we don't learn about it more and try to atone as best we can.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Of that 96% starvation and disease killed many/most. The USA absolutely waged genocidal campaigns against the various tribes but that 3.6 million includes other deaths as well.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

shooting bison and smallpox blankets say hello

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mentioned starvation specifically because of the needless slaughter of bison.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

We count that in the genocide

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Active or not, the Europeans and then the Americans caused the collapse of their civilization.

Imo all deaths are related.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Many weren’t intentional though. There was diseases spread initially by livestock that killed many of that 3.6 million.

Yes, there absolutely were intentional campaigns of genocide but a lot of natives just caught the flu and had zero defense to it. Nobody intentionally gave them the flu because many of these people never saw Europeans.

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