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So, is the USA screwed? (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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You know, DOGE, fascist president and corporations dictating what people can do, institutions being ruined, laws being ignored. Is there any way out of that or is it over? Is the USA done?

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 months ago (29 children)

I hate to say it, but yes. Everything we've predicted from trump has come true thus far.

The insurrection was predicted

The migrant camps were predicted

The ice raids were predicted

Roe v Wade was predicted

~~Selling~~ Giving Ukraine to Russia was predicted

Banning DEI was predicted

The list goes on but more importantly these were all seen as hypothetical worst case scenarios. We should stop treating the next steps like they are hypothetical. America has fallen, and civil war is next.

Former presidents at least recognized they had the responsibility to take care of both the people who voted for them and the people who didn't. Trump only sees the people who voted for him and the people he needs to make an example of.

I hate to say it, but the DNC is weak and won't help us anymore. I supported Kamala like hell and believed that they could figure it out but they just don't and won't.

I'm not a violent person. I hate the thought that I'd ever be forced into a situation where I need to either learn how to fight or die (because right now I'm SOL). I never wanted to find myself rooting for assassins and feeling like the world would be better off of certain people were dead. I'd rather believe the world would be better off if certain people were alive.

But all I see in the future is a federal coup backed by sycophants in the Senate and supreme Court that then collides with the governors of blue states who won't bend the knee.

TL;Dr if we don't go full dictator, we are going to civil war, and we deserve it.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm really hoping that Churchill's quote about Americans doing the right thing is evergreen, because this first month (!!!!) of Trump has been A LOT.

I feel like we're really close to having tried every alternative by now, right?...right?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Yes and and beyond screwed.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

None of this is good, and it's going to cause a lot of big problems across just about everything but, theoretically at least, none of it is unsalvageable.

Remember that elections are run by the states, not the federal government.

So unless you live in one of the most hardcore Trump-sucking red states, you likely will be able to vote in 2026 and 2028, your vote will probably be fairly counted, and you will be able to determine not just the makeup of Congress 2 years from now, but also the types of people that we send to represent our interests and fight back against Trump.

Of course, Trump is wasting no time grabbing power, but it still remains to be seen whether or not Congress and the Supreme Court will surrender their power enough for him to get away with it. As much as the massive cucked-out bitches in Congress and SCOTUS pretend they love Trump, they actually hate his guts and are just as hungry for their own power as he is for his.

Finally there is the possibility of a genuine constitutional crisis in which Trump rejects the concept of shared power by coequal branches of government, in which case the entire constitution is rendered null and void and the USA completely ceases to exist as a federal entity and the union breaks down.

This would probably lead to a civil war, in which case the side that wins is the one that has the best logistics and strategy. I'm confident that the blue states, especially in an alliance with Canada and Mexico, would have no problem beating the land-locked redneck morons in flyover country. All that would be required is to bring the fight to the Southern coastal areas. They'd be totally surrounded and blocked in from trade on every side.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

And then we burn Atlanta again!

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There is saying things, there is not doing things, and there is doing things.

Trump could say: "What if there was one day where there was no laws and people could just do anything, like the purge..." and... oh, he did say that during his first term. And democracy still survived. Saying things just make people loose respect for America. It is why Obama got the Nobel peace prize. Cause he stopped saying the shit that Bush was saying.

What people should be worried about is actions and inactions. It takes competency to do things. The more fascist a thing Trump wants to do, the more competent people leave and the less likely it is to be done. The true problem is it takes no level of competency to not do a thing.

So Trump's end game is "Ask not what your country can do for you ... because it can no longer do that."

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately he's following the playbook of people who do know how to do things and accomplish goals. And they were much better prepared this time than in 2016.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I thought that Obama won the NPP because of Norwegian political stuff involving NATO.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Well, yes, but it was a very weak case - but people were so sick of Bush that that was enough.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Unless there's a coup when the Supreme Court finds against Trump and he ignores them and Republicans keep Congress from holding him accountable the only way the Court will let them.

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