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You know, DOGE, fascist president and corporations dictating what people can do, institutions being ruined, laws being ignored. Is there any way out of that or is it over? Is the USA done?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes. How much and for how long is the real questions, luckily I live in CA and if the country dissolves we'll just do everything ourselves. In fact, We'll be better off as we provide 60% of the US tax revenue, and we get noting close to that in return.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

It's to the point i believe myself the second coming. Rapture always perplexed me.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So, in the best case scenario, the US as we know it is done and, after a hard fall and hitting rock bottom, will emerge as a country that is less of a capitalist hellhole. Ideally, in the process, other countries will find more independence from the USA, be it trade wise or security wise.

The more realistic scenario is that everything will stay the same/similar and just get slightly worse all the time but every other country will still suck up to the USA and everything gets a little worse. Oh yeah and climate change will fuck everyone up the ass.

The worst case scenario, I would argue, is that this ends in the destruction of the world via nuclear war within less than an hour. This is what I am scared of the most.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

When it's all done and dusted, I hope it's the beginning of the end for corporate capitalism as we know it. Allowing them to become that big and powerful through corruption that they literally think that they can control the world, is insane.

This is happening because of greed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It always happens because of greed. All of history.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Not yet, not necessarily. The further this goes, the closer they come to the point of no return.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

A point of no return won't be hit for a while. The buildings still exist and people with domain knowledge are still around.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, it is.

Unless the great unwashed Didn't Votes wake the fuck up and absolutely destroy MAGA in 2026 America is trapped with fascists actively purging the government of anyone not a loyalist.

The voting blocs are completely partisan, and they fucking should be because MAGA is a fascist party.

When a political party comprised of about half of the voters in a state explicitly reject honesty, human rights, and democracy and gains control the state there is not a way out without a civil war.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

In a sense it is done. That sense is being a beacon of progress. All presidents before Trump understood the relationship America had with the world as being a world power. While there always was a conservative voice in America, conservative presidents were always able to mask self interest under the flag of progress, bringing democracy, peace and free markets. Now ultraconservative fascist are no longer masking, Trump and Musk are literally not smart enough to understand. The USA played a very important role in the world order and the current administration is basically giving that up.

Trump and Musk, because they really aren't smart (i can't stress this enough, they lack the mental capacity), are not considering the value of that role, the services the US provides. They only think about the value of things and of money. More rockets, tarifs on goods, expenditure... And see these as things along which progress is measured.

While that does, to a small extent, captures progress. It forgets the foundations of progress, peace, education, financial security, social cohesion, to name a few. Sorry, i say forget... But really what i should be saying is dismantling. They are also clueless about the value of services and the service economy. Which is, or has become, another measure of progress.

Anyway the point is, the US can't maintain their position in the world order. They can't maintain a government that understands their responsibility in that order. They abandoned their classic role without providing the world with a new/better one.

The US has been degraded to a trade partner.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Honestly we were screwed long before now, but yes. Its going to be a slow decline into fascism until we collectively wise up. I do think there's a real possibility of that happening, but its going to take a lot of work.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We been screwed for decades; all the minor plot threads, foreshadowing, and chekhov's implements are all just coalescing at the same time for one last grand finale.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Newt Gingerich, Mitch McConnell, and now Trump (and arguably many others along the way) have been choosing self over country and intentionally breaking safeguards for longer than most of us on Lemmy have been alive. It's indirect violence. But it's violence regardless. And they've gotten away with it so far.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I wont give a knee jerk response to it. a country the size, economy, and history of USA doesn't get done for by one President. While Muskrump will cause plenty of institutional damage and suffering on American and global populace, USA will come out stronger and better nation at the end of this (whenever this ends). Case in point, Germany before WWII and Germany after WWII

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I know you're trying to sound optimistic, but that particular example required significant (worldwide, in fact) external intervention...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think we're headed for balkanization. We're seeing the breakup of the USSR all over again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

On one of the good timelines.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We need to weather the storm and come back strong. We need a FDR 2.0 to transition from chaos and oligarchy into a more equitable America with universal healthcare and more support for struggling Americans.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

agree. USA will need a project 2030 plan to restore and strengthen Democracy in way that it can'be be ever again compromised by one mad man

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

How the hell do you people not understand that one person didn't do this?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Yes and there was nothing really worth saving. Throw it all away and start over. It's fine.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

So long as there is people living in a place, having kids, and trying to improve their lives, the places will remain. The government may change, social structure's get overhauled, but the same fact that people are having kids and building a life means those places are unlikely to go away. The old republic is dead. We have supreme court justices taking bribes then passing judgments saying they can. We have the position of President where anyone in it can legally say "I was doing it for my country the laws don't apply." And get away with it. The United States of America as a Democratic Republic, is over. But there still exists a United States of America that has transitioned to a Democratic Empire/kingdom. So to the question; "Is the USA screwed?" The simple answer is No. It will continue on so lobg as the population does. Is the Democratic Republic of the United States screwed? Bitch be dead, screw the corpse if you like.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Although there's a lot of knee-jerk reaction in some circles, Trump issuing EOs that are illegal and unenforceable only go as far as all the other vitriol that slides it's way out of his mouth creases. Plenty of things he does are blocked by judges, including his demand that only him and his AG are allowed to interpret the law. It just doesn't work like that. Although the possibility of things being escalated and allowed through a compromised supreme Court still exists, it hasn't happened yet. I'm not giving into the mania while checks and balances still actually do exist.

Corporations dictating what people can do has been happening basically my whole life.

DOGE is another story. It's very bad, yeah, but I'm not sure how it affects me personally in my day-to-day.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's erroneous to claim the judge orders blocking the executive orders have done anything.

As judge of Lemmy, I order you to stop posting. /s

^ There, that statement alone had just as much effect as the judicial orders. Fact is, DOGE still has extensive access to most of the systems that they breached, and judges have largely been ignored, or have given rulings complicit with Trump's actions.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you like cancer research? How about fighting forest fires? Averting mid-air plane collisions?

DOGE sure hates all of those.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

All government services will start going to shit. You will not notice immediate effects of this, but roads will be worse, food and drugs will become unsafe as the already inadequate monitoring becomes no monitoring, etc. It just won't all happen overnight and everything will slowly get more dangerous and shinier as all government oversight is destroyed.

Even more indirectly, data products that companies use for deciding investments will become increasingly unreliable. This will increase uncertainty and risk in any corporate investment and lead to decreased corporate spending and an eventual economic contraction.

More immediately, a large number of the people fired this week and last week work in rural areas and the sudden loss of so many jobs in those areas will lead to significant local recessions as the federal money being added to the economy through paychecks disappears overnight.

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