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You know, DOGE, fascist president and corporations dictating what people can do, institutions being ruined, laws being ignored. Is there any way out of that or is it over? Is the USA done?

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 5 days ago (12 children)

The silver lining here is that with now 8 years of abolishing civil/workers rights, technology and social development being suppressed and Americans falling so objectively behind in most measurable fields, hopefully Americans can get over their blatantly false sense of exceptionalism and become comfortable just being another part of the world.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

The average empire lasts 250 years, for the US that year is 2026. The US has been in a downward spiral for decades.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

It’s fucking toast

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

A lot of people are discussing the legal or revolutionary frameworks, but there’s a very human story to all of this. The government is run by people, and people are human. They make mistakes, backstab one another, get sick. They compete for different goals & subvert. It’s politics.

Morality is about respecting other moral agents, but it’s also about self-defeating principles. If you constantly lie, then there is no trust. Without trust, there’s room for speculation, rumor, & fear. Everyone on eggshells constantly. That’s partially why these fascist systems aren’t sustainable. However, as the world has become interconnected, so have the global elite. Fascism isn’t just here: it’s in a lot of places. There’s likely secret (and not so secret) actors pulling those strings, not to sound conspiratorial.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction in physics. Like others have said, I’m not sure about my faith in the USA, as it is today: 50 states and some territories holding “together”. The culture and economy of the Northeast is vastly different than the Southeast. The USA absolutely had its hand in much of global politics over the last 100 years. Russia was the USSR in the 80s (~40 years ago); I think this is our “equal and opposite” moment of a world power fracturing. My expectation is the USA splits up, but I’m not sure what comes next. I don’t know if that’s “screwed”, but it’s not as it is today.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yes.

In the short term not much will change and no one will react. By the time they want to react, they'll play into a fascist crackdown.

Look into the Business Plot. This is basically the result of a century of planning between business interests and religious fanatics with too much money.

As long as capitalism is propagandized as a good thing, civilization will continue to face this issue of the few exploiting the many.

Do you believe every human deserves the same rights and dignities? It's not possible to make a cell phone without relying on slave labor in the supply chains.

Profit is unpaid labor. As long as we normalize giving at the profits to those that already have everything, civilisations will continue to implode until one makes a mistake of such hubris everyone dies. Look at PFAS. One day we will unleash something we can't contain and we'll be dead before we can detect it or treat it.

Our species simply will not survive because we're too eager to shit where we sleep just so we don't have to walk all the way to the bathroom.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

What does "done" mean to you, and how possibly can it be final?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

Not necessarily.

There are still legal routes, the chances of congress not laying down on the job, etc.

Then, you've got the first line of citizen action, protests and non violent direct action combined with people helping each other until the legal stuff has a chance to work.

Beyond that, right now, across the country, small groups are trying to organize. Most of them as a form of more assertive resistance and/or a safety net for trans people, immigrants, and other targets of the current administration.

There are also smaller groups than that organizing for the possibility of having to fight.

That does include people just as batshit as the more rabid right wing, but most of them are less eager than the crazies to get involved in an asymmetric civil war. So they aren't very visible.

But there are people working at all levels to resist and turn things around.

The way out is for everyone that can to be ready. To take risks to protect each other, and to do what they can when they can.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

I mean in the sense that we have been going down since the millenium. I mean we really really rank at the bottom of industrialized nations for quality of life. The big question is if china or india can surpass us really. and by surpass I mean watch as we slow and eventually are behind them.

[–] [email protected] 178 points 5 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

The funny things is americans were like "We need guns to protect ourselves from tyranny." But of course, the ones with the guns are precisely the ones siding with tyrants.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 5 days ago (6 children)

I mean, they wont do anything until the economy crashes and the leopards eat their face.

The last time the economy crashed, the US got 40 years of progressvism.

just waiting for the economy to crash 👀

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Being a shitty person is multidisciplinary, apparently.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago

The constitution was created for the sole purpose of containing a tyrant and mitigating any damage they could do.

Its never been tested on a real tyrant before though, so I guess we'll see how well it accomplishes that. It uh, isnt looking too great though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

it is so donaldover 😔

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