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[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I can't believe we've voted for the lesser of two evils for an entire generation, to the point that the lesser evil is a strike breaking, border wall building, senile octogenarian that's bypassing Congress to sell arms to a genocidal ethnostate, and liberals still can't come up with a better alternative.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (8 children)

I'm almost 38 now and I've pretty much never had a president to be excited for. In my previous ignorance I was excited for Obama and then quickly let down by the system that kill any progress.

I really don't know what I should have expected from a country that was completely built on greed. Everyone that started it to the people that moved here (immigrants want a better future = they(we, we're all children of immigrants) want more money = build businesses = greed. Everything about this country is about money money money. That's literally it.

America is the land of the fee, home of the billionaire.

"If you hate it so much why don't you leave!?" Oh my freindo I wish I could.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

And if we don't vote for him, everything falls apart because of us despite the fact that it's been falling apart for decades.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How ever will someone choose between one candidate who is unacceptable and another who is acceptable. Tough one.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago

Given the options, it's really not a tough choice. Not happy? Instead of whining about it, go run for office.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

hmmm, should i vote for an old guy who believes in democracy or should I vote for a useful idiot to the russians who hates minorites whether it be gender or sexual preference and whatnot and would hand ukraine over to putin in a silver platter, undermine nato any way possible for daddy putin and also crown himself king and end all further elections while imprisoning his enemies and all the other things he lied about and said were being done to him.....

damn, I can't really figure it out! I can't stop WaVeRiNg!!!!!!!

GODDAMN MORONS ARE GOING TO KILL US ALL, JESUS CHRIST

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

this isn't working anymore. people are getting numb to the "boogeyman" technique

dems have to offer something people want, otherwise the right is going to take over

and i think it's too late by now

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Boogymen aren't real. This is not that. And the Left never had that. Right wing terrorism boogymen fund wars.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

whatever you wanna call it, it's not going to work this year. look at the polls. hispanics & blacks are voting for Trump in larger numbers. 5/6 battleground states that Biden won last time he is losing

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think it's less that they're voting for Trump more, and just that they're voting for Biden less.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

it's a bit of both. in 2016 around 24% of hispanics said they were gonna vote for trump. 2020 that number was 36%. in this election, we're seeing around 48%

the numbers for black people have also increased, although at lower rates.

then you have a lot of disillusioned democrats who won't vote for Trump - but also aren't going to turn out for Biden

the issue is that he won a lot of battleground states with small margins, so small changes will make or break him there. for example in michigan. the 100k or so people who voted "uncommitted" in the Democratic primary is enough to swing the state.

it's looking grim for democrats right now. i think their only chance is if they manage to get Trump in jail or he has a stroke or something. which are in the realm of possibility

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Maybe instead of always forcing us to vote for the lesser of two evils, the democrats should take a second, listen to their base, and actually run someone competent.

Because right now, there is zero difference between how the republicans would handle this genocide and how the democrats are handling it. Both parties are in the pockets of oil companies and billionaires, and don't want a change to the status quo.

Yes voting democrat is marginally better, but it's not as vast a chasm as people like to make out. The system itself is broken - fucking around in the system isn't going to fix it. It needs to be smashed and then rebuilt back up

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Because the Democrats are capitalists, and what's good for the gander isn't necessarily good for the goose, to flip the old cliche on its head. They know how to make things happen during an election year, and the other 3 years are spent enriching federal contractors. But again, unless people are prepared to have the revolution today, Biden is the only vote.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I understand the wavering. I voted uncommitted in my primary because Biden will win that without my help and it's a small way of officially filing my disappointment. But if (let's be honest, when) I get my presidential ballot and I have a choice between Trump and Biden and probably some third party, I'll hold my nose and cast a vote for Biden. As much as I hate it, it's not even a question.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It depends where you live. If you are in a deep red state, it doesn’t matter. If we went blue enough for my vote to swing the state, Biden has already won anyway. I feel safe voting 3rd party and not giving him a symbolic popular vote.

With no electoral college, down ballot matters. Vote blue on those!

Make sure you vote though!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

No doubt I'll be voting. My state has turned from red to purple to blue pretty consistently over the past decade or two, so I do feel pretty safe that Biden will swing the electoral college here. Down ballot does matter, and I'll be doing my research on the more local matters before casting my ballot. The ballot I just filed was for the Democratic primary, and there were no other items to vote on. My city passed ranked choice voting for city level elections, and this year I believe will be the first election where we get to use that system. I'm excited to see how it goes and if that will be used to swing our local politics harder to the left.

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