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Reminder that there's no "it's too late, its over" for climate change (lemm.ee)

submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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(not my OC nor my OP, just helping spread the message around:-)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

It's never too late if you seriously consider all your options Ie:

Full nuclear energy development with SMRs

Fusion reactors research

Full transition to electric/hydrogen vehicles

Economic sanctions to countries with grid power coming from carbon/ non renewable resources above a certain percentage

Full development of lunar/cis lunar infrastructure/space

Large scale deployment of solar mirror arrays designed to reflect incoming sunlight, built using lunar regolith as raw materials source

Blowing an 88 megatons hydrogen bomb under the sea, below 8 to 12 Km under the ocean floor surface to trigger about 30 years of carbon capture in a second

You know, easy stuff

And so on

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (4 children)

The US is fucked anyway, but if China and the EU worked together, greatness could be approved on potentially the most important front:

Economic sanctions to countries with grid power coming from carbon/ non renewable resources above a certain percentage

However, the one I'm most curious about is the following:

Blowing an 88 megatons hydrogen bomb under the sea, below 8 to 12 Km under the ocean floor surface to trigger about 30 years of carbon capture in a second

How would this work? I'm really interested in the mechanics of this, not so much the feasibility (which is non-existent anyway)

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We're on course for our oceans to acidify and air to be unbreathable in many places before the end of the century.

It doesn't get a lot worse than that

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

That's why we do what we can to reduce it just like the post said! Wow!!!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

its to late, its over, to prevent catastrophe.

its not to late to ensure we have a minimal catastrophe instead of a maximal catastrophe.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Actually, it's too late, because those in power are accelerating in the wrong direction and we are less and less able to prevent them to do so.

And even so, given the current state of the society, even the "best case scenario" will be enough to make it collapse.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Yes, thats exactly the kind of useless, defeatest post and sentiment that the Op was talking about.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Seriously, if there's one thing I don't miss from reddit (I tell a lie, there's dozens of things I don't miss from Reddit) it's the "Actually we're too far gone, and everyone's going to die in seven days because none of you jokers will buy a Tesla!~" nonsense

Funfact: Conspiracy Bullshit in the other direction is still Conspiracy Bullshit

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Humanity has to continue unshitting its pants.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Indeed, read the Exxon-Mobil report from the late 1970's and early 80's. They hit the nail on the head in regard to global warming. Somebody posted it on Lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (3 children)

A bit sad how pessimistic everyone is. Renewables are currently becoming the most economic way to produce electricity and even states that do not care about the environment are investing in it. EVs are making progress as well. And while it is true that a lot of damage has already been done and we will face the consequences, I also feel that decarbonization is inevitable even from a economic perspective at this point. The speed at which this happens is variable though and determines how many people will die, this is why it is important to not be pessimistic and hopeless but to try steering things in the right direction.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Personally, the "renewable" energies aren't making me hopeful. Because they are absolutly not renewable, they can't be build without pollution because of the materials you need. And even so, climate change is not even the worst of our existential threats, there are many more, but strangely, people are only talking about climate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Human history consists of us solving problems which then create more, bigger problems.

Agriculture was a trap.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Mind elaborating on the other threats?

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

True. The Middle East is the fastest growing renewable market after China and the Middle East already has very low fossil fuels and electricity prices. Of course they don't have absurd tariffs on Chinese renewables.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The Middle East would rather sell their product to other people than use it themselves.

"Never get high on your own supply"

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

A bit sad how pessimistic everyone is.

Americans are pessimistic because we don't have a functional democracy and our fascist oligarchs are too stupid to use their resources to fight climate change.... And the rest of the world is pessimistic because the world's most powerful economy and military has fallen to fascist oligarchy.

Nothing will change until we abolish the billionaires and replace our two party system with a modern multiparty parliamentary system with proportional representation

[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

USAmericans have a religious attachment to fossil fuels that I can't understand. "Drill baby drill" isn't even economically viable and yet has become a call to prayer for many US politicians.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It's rich people who want to keep being rich without risking going into a different thing.

Please stop attributing it to everyone, it's really annoying

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

We couldn't get people to wear a mask or get a shot when a disease was killing millions in the open.

We definitely can't get people to change their behavior over climate change.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

That's because billionaires like Robert Murdock own all our media and they use their power to push disinformation to undermine class solidarity and democracy.

If we want to save the world then we have to get rid of the billionaires asap as they are the greatest threat to democracy.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (3 children)

As individuals we can try, but the average population is too selfish and isn't going to stop until it's too late

Between the likes of pollution, deforestation, wars, extinction of species to name a few...the only thing that could save this planet is humanity somehow becoming infertile.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don't know if it's really selfish more people are a part of a system that is bigger than them that forces them into situations that have a negative impact on CO2 levels

Working a job that has low pay which probably force people to housing that is further from their work place, in America most cities don't have a great public transportation infrastructure nor do they have alternative commuting options like protected bike lanes. This forces people to have to drive more.

The Return to Office bullshit has forced more cars on the road that were not there 4 years ago which is impacting CO2 levels

These are just 2 of many different things that the system has created that have put people in situations that make slowing CO2 levels more difficult.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I mean...we are all born into an already existing system. I guess we could all kill ourselves to help the planet, but that's not really a great option for the self. I don't have the power to change my country's infrastructure as a singular being.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

I guess we could all kill ourselves to help the planet

There's a scene in the show Utopia where one of the antagonists is talking to a woman with her child at the bus station. She says they could drive but it's better for the planet if she takes the bus.

He says if she wants to save the planet she should kill her kid, because raising a child in a first world nation is one of the most carbon-intense things you can do if you can't afford a private jet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I agree with both of those examples

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The average population isn't too selfish, the 1% is.

They wouldn't have made it to the richest 1% if they weren't so selfish, and now they have great power over us all, especially regarding the climate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think it's both

When I worked in an office, the amount of people who would demand that the heating was cranked up as they were sat there in a cotton t-shirt instead of layering up.

The amount of people I know who have every light turned on in their house, the heating on all day throughout the winter, don't bother with basically insulation, don't turn things off at night, drive to places that are easily in walking distance etc.

I could keep going on forever with a list of small and basic changes such as products purchased, recycling, waste etc but I'd be here forever.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And yet all that pales in comparison to a CEO taking a private jet to work hundreds of miles every day.

And all that pales in comparison to the amount of CO2 released by the cargo ships and planes going all around the world every day to support our global economy.

Not trying to absolve the average Joe of their responsibility towards the environment, but like, there's only so much actually in our control. And even if every single one of us 99%ers did everything in our power correctly, unless we see huge global systematic changes at the policy level (like we did with the ozone layer), it probably won't be enough.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And all that pales in comparison to the amount of CO2 released by the cargo ships and planes going all around the world every day to support our global economy.

Yeah, and who's fueling said global economy? Regular people browsing Shein ordering ridiculous amounts of plastic-wrapped shit priced at ridiculously low levels.

Carbon tax is the only solution because it would affect both the rich and the poor. Yeah sure a rich CEO wouldn't feel a simple 2 or 3 fold cost increase to their jet-setting, but if at the same time their company makes a lot less money because people ain't buying their pointless shit now that carbon is taxed and things are expensive? That CEO might just start flying less too. And we'd need way fewer cargo ships operating if people bought fewer goods. Oh and manufacturing might become more decentralized again once carbon tax from transportation is an actual cost to consider.

Thing is, nobody is going to want a carbon tax. We'd all have to be inconvenienced for that. We all take so much shit for granted. So we're all fucked.

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