And I thank you Luigi for your service.
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More celebration of murder as somehow "uplifting". America really is sinking.
PS: Brigading just makes you all look insecure while increasing even more the hostility level of this supposedly "uplifting" community. I personally don't care if a thousand of you downvote my comment. I'm secure in my conviction that murder is always bad. But others, maybe with more ambivalent takes, are gonna be put off by your mob mentality. And then you'll have nothing but others in your mob to tell you how right you are and maybe lessen any doubts or insecurity you have. Is that really what you want from a community? I must admit I don't get it.
Wait is the article talking about murder as uplifting or are you referring to the comments on lemmy?
There is something most people go through at some point, it's the realization that violence is sometimes necessary for the advancement of justice. There would have been no civil rights movements in the US without violence. There would have been no resistance against nazis without violence. There would have been no french revolution without violence. The very roughly "equal chances" society you enjoy today is the result of violence.
Simply put, when the system is dysfunctional and the safeguards originally put in place have been compromised/corrupted, you can either sit there and watch it dispense its injustice, or you can use violence. It's whatever works. Luigi allegedly did something very, very courageous and selfless, and he's owed our collective respect. I hope you get around to that.
A passably substantive argument! Though you couldn't resist a patronizing note of condescension right at the end. To me that suggests insecurity and so undermines your point.
I do know history, more or less (in fact I have a degree in it). And I take different lessons from it than you. The French revolution had two phases, non-violent and violent. Almost all of the useful reforms happened in the first phase. The mass spilling of blood was unnecessary, caused by impatient mobs who just could not wait for those reforms to bear fruit, and who had other unproductive agendas such as vengeance. What is certain is that 200 years later many European countries have achieved the same level of economic development and social justice as France (some of them even more so) without any need for a violent revolution.
As for civil rights, to me that's even clearer: it was not violence but non-violence - boycotts, sit-ins, marches - that won over public opinion and so made it impossible for the Kennedy-Johnson government to continue doing nothing.
I think MLK would have been horrified to see the rhetoric you deploy to defend the indefensible. I certainly am.
This is written word, it's incomplete, it's flawed. Please do not assume the worst. I am responding in good faith to you here : I am genuinely hoping for everybody to come around to the fact that violence plays a central part in our societies, that it historically has, and that it may again -even if we don't like it
I am genuinely hoping for everybody to come around to
I do assume good faith. But can you see the problem with saying, "I'm hoping that everyone eventually sees that they're wrong and I'm right"?
the fact that violence plays a central part in our societies
On its face I agree. But I think it plays a pernicious role and personally I don't want anything to do with it.
MLK would absolutely disagree with you.
First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.”
Justice delayed is justice denied. Anyone who says “Yes, you should have civil rights!…Later.” is saying No.
Many have already tried to argue that the American Healthcare system is broken, and were shot down or given vague promises that it was steadily improving.
Gandhi also preferred violence over sitting on your hands
It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. Violence is any day preferable to impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent.
Title "UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting suspect thanks people for mail on new website".
People and myself find it uplifting that the accused person gets mail and not only the usual torture routine in jail that is sleeping on the floor in a turtle suit etc.
You are seeing people celebrating murder.
We're not the same.
This is disingenuous. You know very well why the story only concerns this particular prisoner, who is in all likelihood a murderer. And not, say, the one the nextdoor cell who dealt some marijuana.
To be clear, I do agree that it good he's getting treated properly.
So according to you, murder is bad, but getting tortured is being "treated properly."
Weird
What they did shouldn’t really be relevant when talking about the inhumane treatment of prisoners
How do you feel about this murder? https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-asthma-medicine-lawsuit-walgreens-optum-8b4130ab404e513fbd68c9e02b51976b
Will you post comments asking where the justice is for this lost life?
That's very sad but it doesn't fit the definition of murder.
Will you post comments asking where the justice is for this lost life?
No, because I think murder (first degree, premeditated, cold-blooded) is worse than that, and I think it's a problem that people are excusing it.
It's clear as day to me what's going on here. You are all angry and frustrated. You're not murderers yourselves and you wouldn't do what "Luigi" did, partly because you're too cowardly, mostly because you're better people than him. But the absence of "justice" (just quoting you) in America's dysfunctional healthcare system is so egregious and so shocking (I agree: it is), that you feel the need to strike out somehow, to show how strongly you feel. And so you come here and excuse murder. Coz, wow, speaking up for an actual murder! That's pretty big, right? Basically it's a mutual support session for people who feel bad - like, really bad - about the state of American healthcare.
Personally, I don't think that excusing murder is going to get you a better healthcare system. In fact the opposite is far more likely: if political assassinations are normalized, an authoritarian backlash becomes all but inevitable. And that will push healthcare right down the list of your priorities. And all for what? For the fleeting buzz of perverted righteousness that you get from excusing the inexcusable. It's not worth it.
systemic violence and murder are still violence and murder. diluting the guilt by splitting it between the c-suite and the shareholders doesn't make them less violent and murderous. retaliation against a murderous system isn't murder, it's fighting for freedom from and change in that system. (it's the thing where someone can be a terrorist for one side, while the person is a freedom fighter for the other side)
Believe what you want, but don't characterize opposition to your shitty opinion as "brigading".
But mass downvoting is a form of brigading, just look it up. And now you're adding insults to the mix. Well done.
Again, I personally could not care less. But by behaving like this, you're not encouraging people to share their thoughts (unless of course they agree with you, that's different!). And you're certainly not creating an "uplifting" community.
To be clear, I don't care about your downvotes. I DO care that you're excusing the inexcusable and helping to normalize political violence.
No, all of these people are telling you that you aren't contributing to the discussion in a meaningful way.
These people are slowly but surely destroying the fabric of society and you're sitting here clutching your pearls about murder? Shut the fuck up.
Where's your attack on the violence dealt out by so-called health insurance companies then?
Just asking because you seem to have an issue with normalizing violence.
Your agenda is very one-sided.
Whatever that is, it's not murder. My agenda has two points. I am against the killing of defenseless unarmed people in the street, whoever they are and whatever they have done, on grounds of basic ethics. And I'm against political assassination, on the grounds that it's gratuitous and counter-productive.
So you choose to ignore corpo violence, because it's not murder in your opinion.
That way you kind of normalize that violence.
I'm against the killing of defenseless sick people by health insurance denying claims.
I'm against economical assassination on the grounds that it's despicable to collect insurance premium and embezzle insurance benefits instead of granting them.
And I'm happy that Luigi gets mail.
mass downvoting is a form of brigading, just look it up
I did. You're lying. Check this if you don't believe me: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brigading
by behaving like this, you’re not encouraging people to share their thoughts
They're discouraging takes that go against the hive mind. Simple as is. Yours just happens to also be a really shitty take.
To be clear, I don’t care about your downvotes.
You cared enough to make a comment about it.
You comment a lot for someone who could not care less.
Should I shut up so that nobody contradicts you?
Preferably you should learn to deal with criticism, even if almost anyone is disagreeing with you. Crying on social media about a majority disagreeing only makes you look like a fool and basically animates a crowd of trolls to make fun of you. Also be aware that reactions to you so far were comparably civil, on more toxic platforms you'd have already been stomped into the ground.
If your sense of self-worth isn't strong enough to deal with massive civil / anonymous disagreement by other people without resorting to throwing shit around you should focus on improving it first before writing comments about controversial topics.
No no, again, I don't care about your "criticism" and your bullying and your mob behavior. I care that you are excusing murder and helping to normalize violence as a way to solve political problems. That is dangerous.
Stop moving the goalpost around, you literally cried about people "brigading", "mob mentality" and threw insults about supposed insecurity around. People are rightfully calling that out.
The best thing you can now do is to, indeed, just shut up and go for a nice walk through the park or similar. Calm down, sleep a night over this, then come back and either delete your comments or apologize for lashing out (while clearly standing with your valid opinion) if you feel like it. But stop digging your grave even deeper.
I get that this topic is fucking rough. People are dying. People get killed. And your original opinion condemning violence and asking if such things should get posted here is a completely valid opinion. BUT what really screws you over now is your inability to not lash out when confronted with huge disagreement. Conflating this with your valid point won't get you anywhere, it will only make you look like a fool even more, causing even more strongly worded disagreement (or trolling).
The anger and insults and hypocrisy here are quite something.
Let's get back to basics. There are lots of people here excusing murder. I am saying that is a bad thing. That is all.
No one is celebrating murder. First of all Luigi is innocent, because the cops are incompetent and just grabbed the first patsy available. Secondly because no murder happened. What happened was the inevitable. When it becomes clear that there are no consequences for bad behavior of the ruling / owning class, we start chopping off heads and shooting people. Unions were the compromise, and they have murdered that compromise. It is time to bring back the fear that the rich felt during The Gilded Age.
You can try to reframe it as much as you want so that you don't see grey, but the rest of us are celebrating a true American Folk Hero.
I'm going to ask again, Are you Dora the Explorer on an acid trip? You are completely incapable of not licking Boots. I don't think that poor monkey needs much more of a tongue bath.
Huh? Where's the brigading here? A whole bunch of people just thought this was a shit take.
How's that boot tasting?