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At the Munich Security Conference, JD Vance criticized European leaders for suppressing free speech, mishandling migration, and ignoring populist concerns.

He questioned whether Europe’s values still aligned with America’s and warned of a “threat from within,” rather than Russia or China.

His speech, which largely avoided discussing Ukraine, shocked attendees and drew condemnation from EU and German officials but was praised by Russian state media.

Vance’s private meeting with Germany’s far-right AfD leader and his dismissal of mainstream politicians further deepened tensions between the U.S. and Europe.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Peter Thiel: "Good Ubu. Sit Ubu."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

The least useful, biggest idiot.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

We will be squished in between Putin and his lapdog. Fuck this timeline.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

America is a big dumb golem used to do the violent bidding of whoever is able to control it - mainly Israel and Russia.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

A mere 1B donation get you control of a 800B a year military. Talk about ROI!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the french did some great stuff with just a metal blade

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

And a bit of timber.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think this people have long already disqualified their ability to speech anything worth of coherent value, why keep listening them or take note of their words? They do not follow the rules of that game, is not possible to play on the same terms so that battleground is a distraction at best, a cancer at worst.

Don’t feed the troll, don’t support the bully.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Lol is this a tongue in cheek self aware comment? I had to start and restart each sentence a few times.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago

That's fine, people with dignity don't have "leaders". That's about JD too.

And there are feedbacks in human societies, meaning that AfD and such would have much less popularity if, first, they had a less stinky alternative as "counter-system" parties, second, were not given publicity as a scarecrow, third, were not given media pressure.

It's natural that in some conditions people run from the political mainstream and want something not associated with that swamp. It's also natural that "black PR" is still PR, it puts AfD (or someone else) on a list of associations in one's mind as being against that mainstream (no matter how fascist or populist). And it's also natural that when you see media pressure, you want to push back.

People making decisions love to think in directions, but in fact thinking in categories and weights between them is better. Like with diversifying investments. If you invest a lot in the left-vs-right dynamic, no matter which side, the results are unpredictable, but you affect their possible magnitude, the more you invest, the more it is. So if someone puts a lot of pressure "to fight fascism", they might cause a rebirth of fascism that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

For the same reason I'm still not sure Trump is worse for Ukraine than someone else. You have to end the war at some point. If there's no military way to restore Ukraine's sovereignty over all of its territory, that may realistically be attempted, then that won't happen anyway. They are not suggesting Ukraine to recognize annexation, but even if they were, the old world order is dying, and formal sovereignty in the UN might do little good in future. Some things they say suggest they may do for Ukraine a lot of what Ukrainians love to dream about in terms of restoration and armaments. Just - also controlling Russia by allowing it to sell its resources again. Probably with a deal worse for Russia than before, and the resulting prices might be less competitive than before.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago

Fuck off with that BS. We don't need you authoritarians to illegitimise our leaders, insert a racism wedge between us and misrepresent what our "populous" wants. We know that our values are not aligned with a conservative, VP-to-fucking-trump, Putin's puppet, project 2025 POS. And we don't need to look for a "threat of within" when we need to stand united against russia and now US influence.

When AfD neo nazis, the richest asshole in the world, the US leadership, Putin and north Korea all praise and support each other we can see through your BS.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Alienating whatever remaining trade partners you had outside of the two local ones, which your friends in the administration tariffed and threatened to annex, is going to go tremendously. Sure are putting America First... in line to find out what happens when no other country is willing to trade their resources with us or buy our goods.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Unless AfD gains power. Which is one of the reasons they want AfD to gain power. Part of the new Axis is part of the old Axis.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This timeline starts to feel more and more like the fourth season of Lexx.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I completely forgot about that show. What a trip

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago

Dear Goober-Veep,

The threat from within is the Nazis, not the people who refuse to listen to the Nazis. They’ve been handling Nazis longer than you’ve been alive. Shut your fucking pizza pie hole.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“The mice in fact are tyrannical oppressors for not opening the door to listen to what the fox has to say!” - JD Vance

Nope, mister G.O.Pudge, we do not have to include Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

What does the fox say?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Blistering" suggests it had merit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I prefer to think of it as likening his opinions to cold sores.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

putin's bitch. so what?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Europe America is lost. Protect yourselves from us.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I want to join in the take of "What an out-of-touch moron" but I honestly think Germany might be fucked. Meetings with AfD behind closed doors and no one in the German government appearing to have a spine to do anything about it indicates that Germany is just the next in line to slide slowly back into fascism.

France is not far behind, either.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

We're about to see how the next elections turn out. Maybe all is not lost yet.

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