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The president of Mexico on Thursday expressed hope that Google "reconsiders" its decision to change its online maps to reflect U.S. President Donald Trump's claim that he has the authority to change the name of the Gulf of Mexico.

Shortly after taking office, Trump issued an executive order announcing he was changing the name of the body of water to the Gulf of America.

For U.S. users of Google Maps, the gulf was listed as the Gulf of America as of Thursday. Google, whose CEO attended Trump's inauguration along with other tech moguls, said last month it has "a long-standing practice of applying name changes when they have been updated in official government sources."

But Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum warned Thursday that her government "will file a civil suit" against Google if it does not revert back to labeling the international body of water the Gulf of Mexico.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

So why did google change it in Canada?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because Canada recently became the 51st state?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Real Americans Want To Be Canadian

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Where will the lawsuit be filed in?

Mexican courts? Good luck getting an American company to comply.

US Courts, well... surely no judge would be biased right? glances at the composition of the US Supreme court

International Courts? Lol like they have any power at all.

Reminds me of The Expanse:

"Earth Court? Mars Court? What Inner court gives Belters justice?"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The suit should be by an American cartography company over the proper US Board on Geographic Names's official process not being followed for the name change.

I'm actually submitting a name change to the board through the official process. But since the USGS added a bit to the process saying that resetablishing historical names isn't a reason for a name change, I'm going to recommend it be changed to "The Gulf," since it meets all criteria for a name change - most importantly that it be a name in common usage by locals. Lots of people refer to it as "The Gulf," while "Gulf of America" isn't in common usage.

The most we can do outside of lawsuits is at least try to take the "America" part away.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Reminds me of: Miss Universe.. Miss planet.. Miss International..

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

In order to do business in Mexico, they must agree to Mexican laws.

In order to do business in Canada, they must follow Canadian laws.

In order to do business in the US, they must ~~follow US laws~~ kiss the ring.

This isn't the first time big tech has had to tackle something like this. Usually it's with disputed territory. In that case, each region gets to see what it demands to see, while presenting something different to the rest of the world.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Mexican courts? Good luck getting an American company to comply.

Why not? Brazilian courts ordered Twitter to ban some people, Twitter refused, court treated to jail Brazilian Twitter legal representatives, Twitter closed their Brazilian office to shield itself from Brazilian courts, Brazilian courts ordered ISPs to block Twitter because they had no legal representatives on the country, after a couple of weeks without Brazilian access Twitter bow down, rehired their legal representatives and complied with Brazilian court orders.

Don't see why Mexican courts couldn't do the same with Google Maps.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

First, what laws are violated? Doubt international law touches this, US law maybe?

edit: Why the F do you downvote me? This is an honest question. I really dislike Trump, but I don't see what laws this violates, except maybe US laws regarding the separation of powers-

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 week ago (20 children)

It's stupid, but it's not that extreme. Countries have different names for things. For example, Germany calls the Baltic Sea "Ostsee" (lit. east sea) and Lake Constance 'Bodensee" (lit. bottom sea) but those things are only at the bottom and east for Germany.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's a slight difference in that "Ostsee" is the common name. If the German chancellor decides to call it "Deutsche See" tomorrow, the name would continue to be "Ostsee", because that's how language usually works.

"Gulf of America" is just a dictator's wish of a common name. The people of OpenStreetMap decided to use the tag "official_name:en_US" for that reason, while keeping "Gulf of Mexico" for the commonly used "name:en-US".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm positive that exact thing happened. I'm sure those were not the common names throughout history. At some point, people named things from their perspective iegardless of what others, including those living adjacent to the thing called it. I'll give you the nationalistic part; that's the stupid part, but it's not uncommon to have a name from a different perspective

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do it honey. Make em pay for suckin orange ass

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is stupid. Google is doing it with their normal process, labeling the USA as a sensitive country in their system and ~~changing the label only for the sensitive snowflakes. So there is no harm to Mexicans in Mexico.~~ (this was wrong, it's show globally in parenthesis, see below)

What sort of damages would she assert anyway? That her country suffers in a significant way from a Google Maps label that can only be seen from the sensitive country? How so?

And if it's a political move what is she hoping to achieve? Google will never cave to the USA before Mexico, they depend more on their US operations than their Mexican ones. So she can't achieve anything politically. Does she want to draw even more attention to a losing fight? A losing fight over mere symbolism no less? Why?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Gulf of America label can be seen worldwide as it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Oh, sorry. You're right. I was wrong on that point. I didn't realize it showed the sensitive label in parenthesis to others.

I would maintain the rest of the argument though, with the Mexican (and global) point of view being the more prominently displayed, there is no significant harm, and she doesn't stand to gain anything from pursuing a civil case, nor politically.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Everyone needs to get used to ignoring this bullshit. The Gulf of America thing isn't important. It doesn't effect anyone, and there's far too many posts about it when there are real things to pay attention to. This is purely a distraction. Stop giving it attention.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

It's definitely a distraction tactic, but at the very least looking at Google Maps and Bing Maps makes very clear to people which megacorps are riding the oligarchy; just in case anyone held hope their favorite "techbro revolutionary" might side with them. PS: Mapquest gets it right.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Out with the oldspeak. In with the newspeak.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Reality has to BE.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago

It's the details that make up the whole picture.

As an isolated situation, the renaming thing may be stupid and not worth giving any credence. Energy can be spent resisting elsewhere in more useful places. However along with the rest of the actions of billionare corpos that kissed the ring, it's part of the overall trend with devastating consequences. Bullshit details shouldn't be ignored, but acknowledged as "they're fucking us from all directions right now and waging war on reality, and we really should stop letting them".

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 week ago

There is one part thats relevant, and thats the government suing AsPo for refusing to comply. Thats a direct attack on the First Amendment

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