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Donald Trump reiterated his claim that Canada would be better as the U.S.’s 51st state, citing trade imbalances and lower taxes.

He also announced new 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, including from Canada, despite a recent 30-day reprieve.

Canadian PM Justin Trudeau has not formally responded, but a government source said they await official confirmation.

Trump criticized Canada’s defense spending and border security, despite recent Canadian commitments.

Canada previously retaliated against similar tariffs in 2018 before a 2019 trade deal resolved the dispute.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Anyone making “thanks trump” stickers for when our gas prices go through the roof and stick it at gas stations like they did with Biden

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago (26 children)

This is going to be the weirdest part of any history book. People reading and trying to understand why the US suddenly turned on and invaded their close ally of Canada in a failed annexation attempt immediately after watching Russia struggle a similar (though less surprising) annexation of Ukraine, which the US helped fight against.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

America really wants to invite a Canadian sized IRA on themselves, I suppose they can fuck around and find out.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The more he focuses on this instead of ruining the lives of migrants, refugees, and queer people, the better. This is absurd enough to be funny instead of just stoking hate crimes.

Sure the economic consequences are really bad but just starting a trade war for the sake of being a messy bitch and no other apparent reason is kinda funny.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

You used to be able to say "It's all about the oil" but in this case "It's all about the eggs"

[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The 51st state? Hard pass. Canada’s healthcare system alone would collapse under the weight of your insulin price gouging. Cherished state? More like a hostile takeover by a country that thinks avocado toast is a personality trait.

Those 25% tariffs? Cute. We survived your 2018 tantrum—maple syrup exports outlived your presidency. Funny how “trade imbalances” vanish when your golf resorts rely on Canadian lumber.

Defense spending critiques from a guy who tried to lease Alaska back to Russia? Bold move. Our border’s secure enough to keep your conspiracy theorists from storming Parliament Hill.

Stay mad about the poutine tariffs, though.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I mean, even though I'm still not fully sure how American elections work, wouldn't Canada be a huge blue state and lead to a lot more of Democrats winning?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

You will be amazed by the power of gerrymandering.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

kinda. It depends a bit on how we handle some of the stuff. Firstly, despite saying he wants to make Canada a state, he could make it a territory that gets 0 votes, which is straight up bullshit but exactly how it works. If he does make it a state, there's still a lot of uncertainty.

Every state has gets 1 vote per representative. Senate has a fixed 100 members (2 per state). House currently has 435 members, divided by state population. If Canada is brought in as a single state, it would beat out California in size, but not by all that much. If we simply increased the house to accommodate the new state, Canada would have a bit over 52 electoral votes. If we add Canada's 52-ish electoral votes to Kamala's count, she still doesn't have the electoral votes needed to win the presidency. Similarly, adding Canada's 52-ish votes to Hillary's count means she still loses. Literally giving Canada's votes to the Dem candidate does not affect the last few elections results in a meaningful way. In fact, it would change almost none of the elections we've had in the last, like, ever.

However, that assumes they simply give Canada new reps, rather than redistributing the current ones. If they did a redistribution, electoral votes would be taken from the largest states. Any states with 3 electoral votes can't have that reduced at all, and those with like 4-8 are unlikely to get the count reduced. Redistributing will affect California the most, followed by Texas, Florida, New York and so on. It's... harder to analyze how that shift would shake out, but I wager still not particularly favorable shifts for blue states in general, meaning dems can't actually expect an increase of 50-ish in that case, which means even less of a chance of flipping any results.

However, perhaps Canada gets split into a bunch of individual states rather than all one. If we assume each province-state gets 2 senate members and they collectively get 50 house members, you end up with 70 electoral votes (ignoring territories). If those all swing blue, Trump still wins 2016 and 2024. Both of those become far closer (2016 becomes 302 to 306 and 2024 becomes 296 to 312), presumably uncomfortably close.

And that's assuming they all vote solid (D), actually get voting rights, voting is still free and fair, and voter suppression hasn't become even more outlandish by then.

Anyways, our electoral vote system blows real bad.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

Ah yes, sure, but you see with the magic of gerrymandering, they could bring them in but make sure all their votes collectively count about as much as 3 rednecks in Alabama, so don't you worry about this pesky little detail.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I'm amazed at how quickly the US has come close to being on the brink of becoming a rogue state.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Internet Explorer meme

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

Better to make california the 13th province.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think Americans who don't agree with trump should raise the Canadian flag.

When someone go outside, beat people up, come home, they are mostly likely will beat whoever at home when they speak up.

Throughout last year, the US didn't stop supporting the war crimes of Israel, either by providing them with money, weapons, and sending American soldier to the area just in case. Canadian didn't say much and kept quiet. Now Trump picking up the legacy of the United States foreign policy back home.

Canada should make it clear that they are not taking these statements as joke and expell the US ambassador.

Just imagine if Indea or China or even Russia said the same.

What crazy is that, I didn't hear any statement so far from Canadian allies to denounce trump statement.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

If I understand correctly Canada has a kind of similar worldview as Nordic countries. Traiding that to a right wing capitalist shit hole like US would be a no go.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Welp, I guess someone finally told him about the whole Mexico and Canada promised him things we already did and ended the tariffs.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

An invasion of Canada would result in so many Americans defecting and fighting for Canada or not cooperating and probably a Civil War when the west coast states (and possibly New England) secede. I imagine the military leadership would sooner stage a coup than cooperate and invade/occupy Canada. Plus, the entire world would side with Canada.

It’s the ramblings of a senile buffoon. There’s absolutely no one else calling for this (or invading Greenland/Panama) and no support from 80% of Americans — and close to 100% with people of fighting age. Even most MAGA idiots are isolationists.

And don’t forget, basically every major U.S. city is extremely blue. When you look at a red state/blue state map, remember that it’s actually an urban/rural divide. Port cities are especially blue. (Look at Louisiana for an example. A deep red state but Orleans Parish went 82% for Harris/Walz. Good luck winning any war with 90% of the port cities in full revolt.)

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago

It's horrifying that I could see Greenland being his Poland and Canada being his France.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

It's why there's hope. They are the minority!

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

My grandfather was in Alsace-Lorraine during the German occupation in WWII. Thanks to a warning from a neighboring village he barely escaped being drafted into the Nazi army and had to go into hiding, surviving in the forest on his own until the end of the war. He never admitted whether he ever had to kill someone or not. But my mother remembers hearing him scream every night from the nightmares.

Now I'm in Canada and I'm wondering if this kind of thing is going to become a family tradition.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

I seriously doubt the top brass would obey orders to invade Canada. The administration knows this as well and there will be a blitzkrieg of military firing coming very, very soon.

Not sure how that plays though, they can't go too fast without alienating the entire armed services.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Say shit about Canada, our friends. Stoke anti America shit. Decrease odds of friendly relations.

Might as well.

Edit: not like people aren't already talking, or woe is us, it's just... bullshit. It's like someone who hates Lincoln Park going up to people and making annoying statements about the band being the greatest and shitting on other music, hoping some people get mad and start trashing Lincoln Park. It's a circus.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The US couldn't hold baghdad?

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

does he have a deal with putin?

"lemme have canada and greenland, and the canal, and i'll let you take eastern europe back--starting with ukraine and nato will not be in your way"

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yep, donald thinks himself smert. Putin thinks he is a useful dumbass.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

How about we give our Northeastern and Western states to Canada? We'll even take Alberta off your hands.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Yes please. I’d love to say I’m a Canadian resident instead of a United Corporations of America resident. Especially without needing to move more North where it’s colder!

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