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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Taking over for Gerard this time. Special thanks to him for starting this.)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

In a hilarious turn of events that no one could have foreseen, Anthropic is having problems with people sending llm generated job applications, and is asking potential candidates to please not use ai.

While we encourage people to use AI systems during their role to help them work faster and more effectively, please do not use AI assistants during the application process. We want to understand your personal interest in Anthropic without mediation through an AI system, and we also want to evaluate your non-AI-assisted communication skills. Please indicate 'Yes' if you have read and agree.

https://www.404media.co/anthropic-claude-job-application-ai-assistants/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Making my service slightly worse once again to own the libs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well now, this is intriguing. Let me check out their website and see if they have the source code for this open source offering available there. Oh dear, looks like they have forgotten to include a link to the source code (though they did make sure to prominently include the referrer of platformer.news in the URL so that's good for them). Not to worry, surely they have a GitHub or something. Oh, still nothing. Maybe there's a link in this Mozilla blog post about it? Still no, but they seem to accidentally imply this is some kind of an AI thing? Is this finally the open source AI we have all been so excitedly waiting for?

To be a little more serious, there's barely anything here to even be gullible about. Just a Vaporware idol for corpos to have a circlejerk around and congratulate themselves for pretending to do something about the bad vibes. If there's a real ambition beyond corporate peacockery here, the motivation is merely to take care of the pesky content moderation without having to pay people to do it.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

merely from seeing the domain and author, probably all of it - casey newton’s got a real bad case of access syndrome, and keeps writing fluff/puff pieces uncritically amplifying tons of bayfucker nonsense

(it’s even beyond the usual levels of what one may refer to as useful idiot)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

(I’ll read the rest of it later as my brain boots and the day’s bullshit allows on time)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Ed Zitron behind a tree rubbing his hands together

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Well as they promised Google Maps has finally fallen. It now shows "Gulf of America" and nothing else to US users. I suspect someone outside the US will be shown both the real name and Gulf of America. Denali is still labeled as Denali... for now.

Disorganize the world's information and make it universally inaccessible and stupid.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Wingnuts genuinely think corporations having a rainbow colored version of their logo on social media in June is proof they're being controlled by a cabal of woke soy sjw leftists.

Meanwhile corporations the second Donald Trump is in the office again:

Gif of a man dressed as Adolf Hitler saying "I am Adolf Hitler"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Shows up as "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)" for me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Shows up like that in the local (non-US) version here too.

And this would have been such an easy way for Google to show a little bit of (at least symbolic) resistance to everything going on...

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Idea for another megathread: go to linkedin and post the first thing you see (that provokes a reaction). Here’s mine:

FWIW I checked a few comment threads and guy is playing this off as lighthearted/a joke, but folks here know better than that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

go to linkedin and post the first thing you see (that provokes a reaction).

Why would you do this to me?

spoilerGreat leadership is born under pressure.

Anyone can perform when things are easy. Real leadership shines in moments of pressure.

Most people react. Great leaders respond.

Here's how you can too:

❌ "You need to calm down" ↳ Why: Instantly escalates tension ↳ Instead: "I'm noticing we're both getting tense. Should we take a break?"

❌ "This is a complete disaster" ↳ Why: Spreads panic and paralyzes action ↳ Instead: "What's the one thing we absolutely must get right?"

❌ "You should have known better" ↳ Why: Creates shame, not learning ↳ Instead: "What can we learn from this for next time?"

❌ "It's not my fault" ↳ Why: Signals lack of ownership ↳ Instead: "I may have contributed to this. Help me understand where"

❌ "Just figure it out" ↳ Why: Shows poor leadership ↳ Instead: "Can we clarify what success looks like for both of us?"

❌ "Why isn't this done yet?" ↳ Why: Creates defensiveness ↳ Instead: "What's the most immediate barrier we need to address?"

❌ "That's not my problem" ↳ Why: Destroys team cohesion ↳ Instead: "We're on the same team. Let's figure this out together"

❌ "I don't have time for this" ↳ Why: Devalues others' priorities ↳ Instead: "I want to give this proper attention. Can we schedule 30 minutes?"

❌ "I already told you that" ↳ Why: Makes people shut down ↳ Instead: "Let me explain this another way"

❌ "That's how we've always done it" ↳ Why: Kills innovation ↳ Instead: "What if we tried a different approach?"

The truth: Reputations are fragile. And rebuilding them is expensive.

P.S. Which response do you want to use more often?

♻ Repost to help your network communicate better.

➕ Follow me for more like this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

❌ “Why would you do this to me?” ↳ Why: Instantly creates tension. ↳ Instead: “What did I do wrong, and how can I do better next time?”

Just incredible that good leadership equals gaslighting yourself into an abusive relationship

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

A bit of a superpower, just a bit. A tiny little morsel, a sample of superpower, if you will.

If you gotta qualify it like that...

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Saltman has a new blogpost out that I feel too tired to sneer properly but I'm sure will be featured in pivot-to-ai pretty soon.

Of note that he seems to admit chatbot abilities have plateaued for the current technological paradigm, by way of offering the "observation" that model intelligence is logarithmically dependent on the resources used to train and run it (i = log( r )) so it's officially diminishing returns from now on.

Second observation is that when a thing gets cheaper it's used more, i.e. they'll be pushing even harded to shove it into everything.

Third observation is that

The socioeconomic value of linearly increasing intelligence is super-exponential in nature. A consequence of this is that we see no reason for exponentially increasing investment to stop in the near future.

which is hilarious.

The rest of the blogpost appears to mostly be fanfiction about the efficiency of their agents that I didn't read too closely.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Second observation is that when a thing gets cheaper it's used more, i.e. they'll be pushing even harded to shove it into everything.

Are they trying to imply that when they will make it cheaper by shoving it everywhere? I honestly can't see how that logic is holding together

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The surface claim seems to be the opposite, he says that because of Moore's law AI rates will soon be at least 10x cheaper and because of Mercury in retrograde this will cause usage to increase muchly. I read that as meaning we should expect to see chatbots pushed in even more places they shouldn't be even though their capabilities have already stagnated as per observation one.

  1. The cost to use a given level of AI falls about 10x every 12 months, and lower prices lead to much more use. You can see this in the token cost from GPT-4 in early 2023 to GPT-4o in mid-2024, where the price per token dropped about 150x in that time period. Moore’s law changed the world at 2x every 18 months; this is unbelievably stronger.
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
  1. My big robot is really expensive to build.

  2. If big robot parts become cheaper, I will declare that the big robot must be bigger, lest somebody poorer than me also build a big robot.

  3. My robot must be made or else I won't be able to show off the biggest, most expensive big robot.

QED, I deserve more money to build the big robot.

P.S. And for the naysayers, just remember that that robot will be so big that your critiques won't apply to it, as it is too big.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

christ this is dumb as shit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My ability to guess the solution of Boolean SAT problems also scales roughly with the log of number of tries you give me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It probably deserves its own post on techtakes, but let’s do a little here.

People are tool-builders with an inherent drive to understand and create

Diogenes’s corpse turns

which leads to the world getting better for all of us.

Of course Saltman means “all of my buddies” as he doesn’t consider 99% of the human population as human.

Each new generation builds upon the discoveries of the generations before to create even more capable tools—electricity, the transistor, the computer, the internet, and soon AGI.

Ugh. Amongst many things wrong here, people didn’t jerk each other off to scifi/spec fic fantasies about the other inventions.

In some sense, AGI is just another tool in this ever-taller scaffolding of human progress we are building together. In another sense, it is the beginning of something for which it’s hard not to say “this time it’s different”; the economic growth in front of us looks astonishing, and we can now imagine a world where we cure all diseases, have much more time to enjoy with our families, and can fully realize our creative potential.

AGI IS NOT EVEN FUCKING REAL YOU SHIT. YOU CAN’T CURE FUCK WITH DREAMS

We continue to see rapid progress with AI development.

I must be blind.

  1. The intelligence of an AI model roughly equals the log of the resources used to train and run it. These resources are chiefly training compute, data, and inference compute. It appears that you can spend arbitrary amounts of money and get continuous and predictable gains; the scaling laws that predict this are accurate over many orders of magnitude.

“Intelligence” in no way has been quantified here, so this is a meaningless observation. “Data” is finite, which negates the idea of “continuous” gains. “Predictable” is a meaningless qualifier. This makes no fucking sense!

  1. The cost to use a given level of AI falls about 10x every 12 months, and lower prices lead to much more use. You can see this in the token cost from GPT-4 in early 2023 to GPT-4o in mid-2024, where the price per token dropped about 150x in that time period. Moore’s law changed the world at 2x every 18 months; this is unbelievably stronger.

“Moore’s law” didn’t change shit! It was a fucking observation! Anyone who misuses “moore’s laws” outta be mangione’d. Also, if this is true, just show a graph or something? Don’t just literally cherrypick one window?

  1. The socioeconomic value of linearly increasing intelligence is super-exponential in nature. A consequence of this is that we see no reason for exponentially increasing investment to stop in the near future.

“Linearly increasing intelligence” is meaningless as intelligence has not been… wait, I’m repeating myself. Also, “super-exponential” only to the “socio” that Ol’ Salty cares about, which I have mentioned earlier.

If these three observations continue to hold true, the impacts on society will be significant.

Oh hm but none of them are true. What now???

Stopping here for now, I can only take so much garbage in at once.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

dude's gone full lesswrong. feels nostalgic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You’d think that, at this point, LW style AGI wish fulfilment fanfic would have been milked dry for building hype, but apparently Salty doesn’t!

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