3 steps to find nazis : antifascism

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm gonna channel John brown with every nazi I see

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I've seen people unironically insist John Brown was a Nazi. I believe "posting John Brown memes" was one of the arguments for banning a swath of leftist subs on Reddit, back in '16.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Good to sort any pedantic or bad faith arguments out now. Pedantry didn't win the day to stave off WWII and that shit caught on quick. Let's get ahead of that this time.

[+] [email protected] -34 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I don't really like this, because Nazis were the german national "socialists", why the fuck would some american dipshits be nazis, they are fascists, we should use the correct word.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Of course it's a .world account stepping up to defend Nazis.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The Nazis weren't Nazis, so we shouldn't call them Nazis either by that logic.

If some dipshit pops out to say "they aren't German nationalists!" you've found a Nazi.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Neo-nazis. Shortened to Nazi. I think we understand what it means given the context.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

One day Nazis are going to find out again that people love killing Nazis more than Nazis love killing their undesirables.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

You gotta use all caps to really show how much we LOVE killing Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 108 points 1 month ago (11 children)

I was taught when I was young that you don't call something that isn't really genocide genocide, someone that isn't a nazi a nazi, etc. because it dilutes the meaning of the word. I do think that Israel is committing a genocide, and I do think that Musk is a neo-nazi; I'm not diluting these terms to say this.

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[+] [email protected] -85 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Dumb and reductionist. There are actual nazis, but people seem to have forgotten what fascism and nazis actually are, so yes they do call anyone a nazi.

This only serves to water down the meaning of calling someone a nazi. And then when the real nazis show up, calling them out will have no impact.

Now, feel free to call me a nazi.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

I was thinking of migrating to .world when I saw how annoying the .ml profanity filter is ("fire removedant") but now I'm glad I didn't.

Edit: oops, right, this is midwest.social. Anyway, I have seen .world ban for the same normie takes but it was only a suspension

[+] [email protected] -6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's based as shit, stay on .ml if you've got a beef with it lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think .ml ban people too for being anti-communist but even if i knew of a good alternative, i don't think there's proper migrating on Lemmy like Mastodon has - only making a new account

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (13 children)

Sh.itjust.works pretty much never bans unless you break international law or spam. Unfortunately that means sometimes Nazis come to this instance but usually they're bullied out.

As someone that had a .ml account until it was explained to me that racism is explicitly allowed on ml.. it's okay on this instance. You lose hexbear but that's the only downside.

Just never fall for .ee or .world. terrible instances, those.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Wait, racism explicitly allowed on .ml?

That doesn't sound very Marxist. He was very clear (probably on account of being Jewish)

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yes, as per their explicit policy, you can never be racist or discriminatory against white people no matter what you say or do.

Or in other words they believe in the power dynamic version of racism, instead of the idea that racism is discrimination based on race.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And of course he defended musks salute, is a transphobe and does not know what genocide is.

https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/19124820/12601741

Hhhmmm… Not very genocide of people aren’t being rounded up and executed, and not very silent if there’s news articles talking about it.

Sensationalist crap.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The one I linked was someone else - I was just talking about in general, banning someone for an opinion of theirs that doesn't inherently mean they're a nazi/fascist/communist/etc

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

I was thinking of migrating to .world when I saw how annoying the .ml profanity filter is ("fire removedant") but now I'm glad I didn't.

(Edit: oops this was midwest.social - idk if .world ban as much for this)

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Holy shit! It worked!

Now go on for a couple paragraphs about “nuance,” and how “life isn’t always black & white.”

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well that was easy.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is why you call them all Nazis.

This isn't my story, but it's been posted dozens of times if you want to look it up.

Guy is in his local pub. Two new guys come in. They don't seem to be offensive, but the bartender screams at them to get the fuck out.

The bartender explains that those two are part of the local Nazi clique. How the Nazis work is to have two or three guys come to a place and become regulars. After a couple of weeks, they bring in four or five more guys. Then those guys bring in their buddies, and all of a sudden the regulars don't want to come in any more and, without noticing, it's now a Nazi bar.

[+] [email protected] -22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's neat how your rebuttal was to something entirely different from what you were responding to.

It's not that your comment wasn't valuable in and of itself. But strictly as a rebuttal to "people go overboard by calling people who make them sad a Nazi", the idea that we should correctly call out actual blatant low-instance Nazi behaviour as Nazi behaviour isn't a rebuttal so much as it is a speech. This is question-ducking like I haven't seen outside of politics.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

"Hypothetical people misuse the word nazi" is a very small problem, especially in today's context. You are wasting time and energy and making yourself look like a nazi defender, even if you are acting somehow in good faith.

The argument you are making often comes up as a distraction. Someone will be like "The republicans wanting to put out-groups into camps is seems like a nazi thing to do" and someone like you will pop in with "well actually" and it's not helpful. Unless you want to keep people unfocused and bickering so they can't actually organize and cohere around fighting the villains

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

The way I look at it, we've got real Nazis out here, right now.

So if some idiot calls their roommate a 'nazi' because the that person hogs the shower, it really doesn't matter.

People know the difference between an actual murderer and someone saying, for example, Taylor Swift 'murdered' a song.

Misusing words is a minor thing to worry about at this point.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

No true Scotsman Fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Nazis, plural. Where there's one Nazi, there's guaranteed multiple more hiding nearby.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

At this point, they may not even be hiding

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Like roaches, except more skeevy.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

and less clean

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Sane weird breeding fetish though

[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 month ago (2 children)

ah, the before times.

Now they're the guys with their arms in the air. pretty hard to miss.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No no, you see they are being "ironic"! Don't you understand their alpha brained comedy? /s

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