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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago (4 children)

yeahhhhh.... hasanabi was right, targeting trans sports was the easiest and dirtiest way to bring transphobia to the normies. people that don't even give a shit about politics and don't think about trans people one way or another can say "well at least sports are fair now"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

~~Never seen Serena Williams play badminton?~~

Wrong comment

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Why does badminton even need to be separated it’s not a strength contest

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Reaction time, endurance, strength(yes hitting a shuttlecock harder is important), etc. They vary wildly between men and women and no sport can really balance the scales in either direction.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Idk man when I see professional badminton they are smacking the fuck out of the cock

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

So men don't have to be embarrassed from being beaten by a woman.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Never seen Serena Williams play badminton?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

Because some people view Men's sports as professional, and a career opportunity. Women's sports on the other hand are seen by those people as recreational, and something fun to do outside of the house.

Who would put a professional player against a recreational player? That's just not fair, the recreational player would be embarrassed at how bad they are and it wouldn't be fun to watch.

Obviously nothing I said is true but it's an opinion held by many.

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[+] [email protected] -28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Sure they can. But with the boys.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If trans women have to play with the boys, then cis women should, too. Just end segregation entirely.

[+] [email protected] -8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's definitely one way of making sure that a woman will never win again in athletics.

They did do that in golf, of course with handicaps like a shorter tee off for women, so not a fair competition.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're saying that even the weakest biologically male athlete could beat the strongest biologically female athlete?

Because otherwise, "never win again" seems kind of unlikely.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My god what an asenine take.

No, but no woman would ever win with the best from both genders attending.

I don't think you could even qualify for the mens qualifiers in athletics with the world records for women.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (10 children)

You do know there are tons of co-ed sports out there, right? And women win them all the time.

But please, continue to be rude. That will definitely prove something or other.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

[+] [email protected] -19 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Truth sucks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Forcing a girl to play against boys and use their changing room is pretty fucked up dude. Don't make yourself look even more like a dick.

[+] [email protected] -12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nobody is forcing anyone. But saying they can't play badminton because they are trans is false.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh, right! They can just stop doing what they love! I'm sorry, my empathy-riddled ass didn't think about this obvious solution.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

No? They can play with the boys. Changing rooms can be arranged. Why is it important for a trans-girl who went through male puberty to play with girls that are smaller and physically weaker?

I should probably clarify that i mean compete in competitions, dont care in the slightest who or how they want to practice. That's just fair.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How would you propose women prove they are not trans and can thus play on the women's team?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not qualified to answer that. I assume a doctor might be able to answer.

But not having a dick is a start.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (9 children)

And how would you like these women to prove they don't have a dick?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I see, so it's an information problem.

Trans girls are not stronger than other girls. Any increased muscle mass vanishes with hormone therapy as the testosterone supporting it goes away. Likewise the body remodels stuff like cartilages as all of this is influenced by hormones. That's why Olympia goes so overboard with hormone tests, even forcing cis-women to do invasive measures to reduce their natural testosterone levels.

The only difference caused by puberty that are irreversible are:

How thick bones are & how they formed
How you sound
Where you grow how much hair

And of those three ONLY the first can be of any value in any argument. And definitely not for badminton. Uninformed bullshit arguments cause WAY more problems for cis-women in sports than they could ever solve. There's nothing fair about that way of arguing.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Trans girls are not stronger than other girls. Any increased muscle mass vanishes with hormone therapy as the testosterone supporting it goes away.

Yeah, but then you'd need rules for checking that too.

And of those three ONLY the first can be of any value

Yes, and one is enough for making competitions unfair.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Those rules are already in place, professional sports require trans athletes to receive treatment in a controlled environment to make sure it's all fair. Hell, they check literally every athlete for Olympia or other big tournaments. And if you can prove that thicker bones than average give you an unfair advantage in some way go ahead and tell the professionals who literally look into this very topic the whole fucking time. In Badminton thicker bones are even worse because they potentially slow you down a tiny bit. And advantages due to size are a normal problem to deal with in sports and no trans-specific issue, just look at Basketball. Until there are proper arguments this whole discussion is just evidence for either transphobia or lack of knowledge, nothing more.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Those rules are already in place, professional sports require trans athletes to receive treatment in a controlled environment to make sure it's all fair.

Wrong, most sports don't. Most countries don't. Most countries doesn't acknowledge that being trans is even a real condition.

I saw a documentary of the olympic "spot checks" for potential men competing with women. It's a shit show. They knocked on the doors at the hotels and asked them to show what's between their legs. I guess it's something, but kind of "ad hoc" and likely more undignified than it needs to be.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wrong, most sports don’t. Most countries don’t. Most countries doesn’t acknowledge that being trans is even a real condition.

You literally invalidate your own argument instantly. Countries that do not acknowledge trans people exist obviously do also not allow them to sports, therefore not doing anything that would even remotely resemble an attempt at fair treatment.

And yes, the current "tests" are more often than not a shitshow. That's literally what I pointed out before, cis-women also suffer from this nonsense. However international tournament still do them in one way or another in a really bad attempt at doing something.

I've got enough of this bullshit. If you keep being a transphobic prick ("men competing with women") that prefers the "if in doubt, throw them out" method then we've nothing to say to each other. You evidently preferred to show everyone you're a real dick.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago

Wrong again. They would be allowed to compete with men. As that is the open class.

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