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Australia has enacted strict anti-hate crime laws, mandating jail sentences for public Nazi salutes and other hate-related offenses.

Punishments range from 12 months for lesser crimes to six years for terrorism-related hate offenses.

The legislation follows a rise in antisemitic attacks, including synagogue vandalism and a foiled bombing plot targeting Jewish Australians.

The law builds on state-level bans, with prior convictions for individuals performing Nazi salutes in public spaces, including at sporting events and courthouses.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (7 children)

The thing is this just makes it "cooler" among the Nazis because now it's illegal. It plays right into their persecution complex. It also opens up a legal morass of trying to define a hand gesture in court. To me this seems like it's fighting the symptoms and not the underlying problems.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

A Nazi/Hitler salut was always illegal in Germany after WW 2 and courts figured it out what counts as a nazi salute and what not (it often comes down to context i guess).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

It also opens up a legal morass of trying to define a hand gesture in court> It also opens up a legal morass of trying to define a hand gesture in court I feel like that part would just be the same way porn is treated, "I [the judge] know it when I see it]

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The thing is this just makes it “cooler” among the Nazis because now it’s illegal.

Only until they are caught.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

targeting Jewish Australians.

There it is. I'll bet criticizing Isreal is considered anti-semetic too. Meanwhile Aboriginals still don't have rights.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

You may want to quote some more of that bit, bud. It was a FOILED BOMBING PLOT targeting Jewish Australians.

How is Israel relevant?

But yes, native people always seem to get the shaft, no matter where you are. Again though, not relevant in this thread surely.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (6 children)

See, I am overall against any and all limits of free speech but...

Yeah. Context matters. And in current world context, good job Australia, hope outher countries take notes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (13 children)

Literal hate crimes, I'm all for. A gesture with your arm gets you 12 months? That's too much, regardless of its origin or meaning.

I'll say, likely wasting my digital breath, I do not support any sort of Nazi bullshit or affiliates. But truly, outlawing gestures is a next level, knee jerk reaction to a problem they don't know what else to do to solve.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

While without context I'd agree that banning a gesture is a bit much, especially with such steep measures, I think that in a world when one of the de facto co-leaders of major if not the main world superpowers openly does nazi salute twice, we need to up the guard and cut this shit in the bud.

And as you said - we don't know how to solve USA becoming a nazi state rapidly. Nobody does. And third reich ain't gonna hold a candle to USA if they decide it's time for blitzkrieg. So doingall we can to damage and reduce nazizm where we still can is admirable.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's a nazi fucken salute mate. What part of it isn't a hate crime?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Can Canada do this too?

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