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Billionaire Elon Musk, who is heading US President Donald Trump’s efforts to shrink the federal government, gave an update on the effort early on Monday, saying they were working to shut down the US foreign aid agency USAID.

Musk, who is also CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, discussed the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) in a Monday social media talk on X, which he also owns. Trump has assigned Musk to lead a federal cost-cutting panel.

The conversation, which included former Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy and Republican senators Joni Ernst and Mike Lee, began with Musk saying they were working to shut down the United States Agency for International Development (USAID).

“It’s beyond repair,” Musk said, adding that Trump agrees it should be shut down.

On Sunday, it was reported that the Trump administration had removed two top security officials at USAID during the weekend after they tried to stop representatives from Musk’s DOGE from gaining access to restricted parts of the building, three sources said.

The website of USAID appeared to still be offline on Saturday and some users could not access it on Sunday. USAID has a staff of more than 10,000 people.

Speaking more broadly about cutting US expenses and fraud, Musk estimated the Trump administration can cut US$1 trillion from the US deficit next year.

Musk did not offer any evidence to support his fraud claim or explain how he reached the amount of US$1 trillion.

Since taking office 11 days ago, Trump has embarked on a massive government makeover, firing and sidelining hundreds of civil servants in his first steps toward downsizing the bureaucracy and installing more loyalists.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago

Shut down a CIA covert operation masquerading as a charity?

Oh no...

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago

i guess USAID was founded by an executive order, so maybe they can do that unilaterally soviet-hmm

[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 days ago (3 children)

how will musk coup anyone he wants if he shuts down the coup machine?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think musk understands the workings of the American empire. He has more important things to tend to than reading theory (get into fights on twitter).

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago

Probably by creating a private company called "xovernance x" that just goes in and directly coups people.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago

Heartbreaking: The worst person you know accidentally did something good

[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (15 children)

Genuinely curious why Trump is getting rid of historically the US's most reliable source for regime change. For those who don't know, the vast majority of USAID goes strictly to opposition groups in countries the US is on bad terms with, and to the ruling govrnments and millitaries of those we are on good terms with. It's how the US maintains hegemony. Some USAID went to good people and projects, of course, but never for a second think that that was its primary purpose.

One theory I saw is that the US Imperialists have noticed many of their typical regime change attempts, such as in Bolivia and Venezuela, are failing, therefore it isn't any longer an efficient use of funds. Now the US is pivoting to more open-faced aggression via tariffs and other forms of economic warfare, sanctions, and so forth. The reason, is because US hegemony is weakening, and other countries like the PRC are becoming much better alternatives to deal with.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It might be simplistic, but I'm always going to go with Occam's Razor on this: Trump and Elon are just that stupid.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I don't think that's Occam's Razor applied, though. We know the US is controlled by the interests of the bourgeoisie.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Any question of why Trump does something that doesn't seem to make sense has a very simple answer. He's an idiot. And the answer to your following question is "Yes, he is."

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Trump is an idiot, but the United States isn't structured in a way where the President can go against the will of the Bourgeoisie. Behind closed doors there are talks and strategies employed, this isn't a new thing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (5 children)

the United States isn’t structured in a way where the President can go against the will of the Bourgeoisie.

I think we are overestimating the amount of solidarity and power of the American bourgeoise, partly because that's the image of strenght they love to project.

The state always holds a dominant position wrt the bourgeoise. If tommorow trump wanted American billionaires merced, there isn't much anyone could do to stop him.

Yes the bourgeoise control american civil society and have some influence over various parts of the government, but trump is the commander of the armed forces and has a strong movement backing him.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

~~“It just burning money to ‘help people’, they’ve never been in the black. It’s a money sink hole. Completely useless.”

It’s a service that my tax dollars gladly pay for~~ I will not gladly pay for that same money to go into your pocket, you fucking nazi.

Edit: was clarified on the particular organization. Should wake up before reading bad news. I stand by my Nazi statement though.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (10 children)

The vast majority of USAID went to support regime change and help the ruling classes of those we are friendly with. A minority went to helping people. What this means, it is speculated, that the US has realized its last several attempts at regime change in countries like Venezuela and Bolivia have failed due to the emergence of alternatives, therefore it is cheaper to drop it entirely and focus on open economic warfare rather than subtle. Tarriffs, sanctions, etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

…. more than plausible. It’s worth noting just how useful a man like Trump is to the people in power.

He provides a lot of cover for long standing American hegemonic policies.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

What's most interesting IMO is that Biden played the epitome of the post-Reagan Imperialist, whereas Trump is trying to restart US manufacturing and isolationism as though we can hope to regain clear dominance via competing outright with Chinese industrial output. I don't think that's a game the US can even hope to win.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thank you for clarifying for me. Still don’t want that unelected nazi in control of anything in the government.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh, of course. I'm not saying this is necessarily a "good thing," I am more pointing out what we need to watch for. This signals more open aggression, like the United States has been known for, potentially even going to war.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is spelled 'Lebensraum'

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Or, "Manifest Destiny." Nazi Germany did find great inspiration in the US, after all!

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago (2 children)

USAID was a tool for US imperialism. It may have done some good but the soft power was expended waging wars and committing genocide.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It’s good that it’s gone, but this makes me think US imperialism is going to stop trying to curry favor with soft power and kickbacks for compradors, and instead go full mask off and just coup or invade everyone they want shit from. I know that the hard power has been used excessively throughout US history for these goals already but I worry it could ramp up to new levels.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

These are my concerns as well, there's 0 chance this is an end to Imperialist aggression, just a change in character.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It may not be intended as an end to aggression, but the soft regime change tactic is a lot cheaper and more effective than direct aggression.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (6 children)

And now other countries like russia and china are taking up the slack.

yay, I guess?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What will Russia and China do on the global stage? Offer you cheap commodities? Continue not bombing the middle east?

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago

even russia is unlikely to cause as much harm as the US did (though it'll likely be dogshit), and china's effects will be mostly good.

so yay, i guess.

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