For the same reason Republicans haven't released the Epstien client list. Many of them and their donors are on the list.
this post was submitted on 11 Jul 2025
97 points (93.7% liked)
Asklemmy
49381 readers
560 users here now
A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions
Search asklemmy π
If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!
- Open-ended question
- Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
- Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
- Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
- An actual topic of discussion
Looking for support?
Looking for a community?
- Lemmyverse: community search
- sub.rehab: maps old subreddits to fediverse options, marks official as such
- [email protected]: a community for finding communities
~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_[email protected]~
founded 6 years ago
MODERATORS
Checkout this podcast which has an interesting take on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o069oHLvDkg
Basically, they conclude that we all know who is implicated already and this is just a lot of meaningless distraction. They go on the point out that people from both parties are involved, and that even know we know by in large there has been no consequences and there is unlikely to be any.
Because it isnt a list of sex offenders. Its a list of contacts, clients, whatever. Just having a name on a list from Epstein doesn't mean anything beyond being suspicious. It doesn't prove anything by itself. But the public doesn't care about that. So the people on that list need to be protected, they are innocent until proven guilty. You can't and shouldn't want to make it public.
There is no deep conspiracy necessary. Although powerful people are implicated due to being on the list, or actually did things that are fucked up. The fact none of it got public isnt proof of conspiracy, rather of a functioning legal system. And it wouldnt surprise me if these papers simply never got handed over to any politician, despite their claims.
And them asking stupid questions like 'hand me over the list of child molesters that epstein made'...which doesn't exist. Lets not forget that most of these Trumpets are exceedingly dumb.
The justice system is working as intended. Working people are disenfranchised. The powerless create myths when the system can't be criticized. We are all dumb, but power belongs to the owning class.
because there most likely was no magic client list, as evidenced by the fact that the republicans are desperate to put out the fire they started pushing conspiracy theories now that they're in power.
The boring answer: criminal investigative files generally aren't released, so they're compiled in a way that mingles information about victims with information about suspects and witnesses and others potentially involved in criminal activity, intentionally or unwittingly, directly or tangentially.
If you want to export a list of all names in the files, you'll want to filter out victims for sure, and probably mere witnesses. You definitely don't want to out informants and make them vulnerable to retaliation.
So most law enforcement agencies simply will keep everything secret. The idea of releasing names from the file was unusual, and it's not surprising that Trump's own people refused to follow through, especially when it's highly likely that Trump was in that list of names.
Because many of them are probably in it too. While they play to hate each other. In the words of George Carlin, " They are all in a club and you will Never be a part of it."
It's a big club, and you ain't in it.
Small correction, but you're otherwise absolutely correct. π
Thanks. Edit. Just reminds me of Jimmy Carter's funeral where Trump and Obama where being rather buddy buddy. Same with Bush.
Surprised nobody leaked it
I think a lot of people are missing a crucial point about Epstien, his ties to Israel. Our government may have a list but it is not theirs to release.
The blind support US provides for the genocide makes me wonder if Israel is the one with all the kompromat everyone says Russia has
Or maybe they both do
Because when you get to a certain point of wealth, you can have everything and nothing is out of reach. So you move on to other things that are out of reach⦠big fucking yikes if you ask me.
Mutually assured destruction is my likely guess. If the list came out, I imagine there would be massive casualties on both sides.
Good. They should be destroyed.
Unfortunately the people making that call are largely people that are on that list or closely connected to people that are.
That's kills me inside..like I grew up being told, "Don't cover for your friends if they do something stupid." I learned that includes things like rapes and assault, or child molestation or anything that proves they are not a good person.
How is it that so many people in power don't have that type of mentality? How is it that somehow none of em, not one, has the balls to actually stand up and say, "A, B, ans C have done this and this and that."
I'm lost for words on how to describe my feelings towards the Democrats that let this through.
Because information is power. They can use knowledge of anotherβs wrongdoings to buy support for things.
The obvious is that Dems are on the list too. Which is undoubtedly true. Even more importantly than that donors. But the fact that Merrick Garland was involved and he'd never to anything to make Trump look bad ever should also be remembered.
Because I suspect most of the rich and famous are on that list and both (dems and rep) are now blackmailing the people on the list for money.
This is the answer
It's a big club, and you ain't in it. And the whole club is on the list.
Same reason
ongoing investigation, they still cling to norms. even if pedophilia wasnt bipartisan they wouldnt have released it.
they also could've dismantled ICE but they like fascism.
Because It's one big club that's playing theater for the masses. They're all on the fucking list.
lol you think bill gates and his friends would allow their pet democrats to do a thing? lol
The Democrats had it during their entire presidency
Specificity is the path to the truth. People call out for "the list", but don't seem to know exactly what this is. Given that all this activity is illegal, there's little point in storing a list of illegal sex clients in QuickBooks.
Instead, the closest thing would probably be a contact list, with people who were in on it and not mixed in. Prosecutors definitely have such a list, as it was shown in court - exhibit "GX52". This list was partly shown in the Maxwell trial, but also sealed by the judge - not Democrats. Supposedly it contains "many, many, many, many names" including some with "massage at Palm Beach".
Now you could say, why didn't Biden tell the DOJ to release that list. Probably for the same reason he didn't tell them to drop the prosecution of Hunter, which he later pardoned him for. Be cynical as you want about the separation of the DOJ and the president, (which Trump has consistently ignored) Biden did make a show of upholding it. And releasing the list to embarrass Trump would be a pretty blatant violation of that principle. It would also probably violate the seal order, making DOJ attorneys vulnerable to contempt.
You think none of them are on the list too?
view more: next βΊ