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I havent seen any english Articles about this so Im giving you guys the Infos on this way.

Yesterday our conservative Party (CDU) has passed a suggestion for a law about immigration, which is a plan with 5 points, with the help of the liberals (FDP) and the far right facist party (AfD). Prior to this the CDU chancellor candidate Friedrich Merz has announced, that hes willing to pass this with the support of the AfD. This marks an official end to the so called "firewall against the far right". This law includes, that immigrants who are seeking Asylum are no longer allowed to enter Germany and criminal immigrants who have to leave germany will be detained until they get deported or decide to leave germany by themselves.

The 5 points of the plan are the following:

  • Permament controls at the borders of the German Federal Republic (using the emergency provision of the Schengen Borders Code), de facto ending the free movement of European Citizens;
  • Blocking the access to the country to anyone not possessing adequate documentation (making it near impossible to come and request asylum);
  • Immediate sequestration of anyone required to leave the German soil, ordering the creation of special detention camps to keep up with the induced demand;
  • Request of active participation of the BundeslΓ€nder (regions) with information regarding the financing and support to create detention camps;
  • Tightening of the right of residence for offenders and dangerous persons: Offenders and dangerous persons who are obliged to leave the country should remain in an indefinite detention until they return to their home country voluntarily or their deportation can be carried out.

Thanks to @[email protected] for sharing this.

This law is probably illegal (its against our constitution). On Friday it is likely that more laws will be passed with the support of the AfD. The pro putin party (BSW) has also announced, that they are willing to support the laws.

Edit: it isnt a law that has been passed, but a suggestion. However, since the CDU and the AfD are about to be the two major parties it is likely that it will be turned into a law after the election.

Edit: Theres an English article about it by The Guardian
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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

So that situation is horrible.

But I am not happy with the title here [thank you for editing!]:

Germany is on its way to fa[s]cism

That's not a good way to put it imo, because it presages a future that might not and hopefully won't happen.

What's true is that "conservatives" (CDU/CSU) and "libertarians" (FDP) almost unanimously voted for a populist, useless, unhelpful, racist act that goes both against the German constitution and against EU rules. They're their repeating historic mistakes, building their majority on the votes of right-wing extremists (Afd). And they're planning to do it again on Friday.

And it was completely unnecessary too. There's no rational power reasoning for the act. Besides the content being worse than useless, enacting it this way is hurting rather than helping CDU's chances, as it drives people either further right ("the Afd were right all along!!") or further left/center ("I don't want to vote for a party working with nazis/hurting the constitution").

Tl;dr: We are fucked.

No, we are not yet h*cked. Afd was polling at 22% in the beginning of 2024, and they lost 8 percentage points in a matter of months, because people took to the streets to form some of the largest protests Germany has seen. Yes, they've gained again but there's at least a chance that the party is banned [in the near future].

If you're German - go out and protest this week! https://demokrateam.org/ has a list.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So 1/4th of Germans support the literal Nazi party.

That sounds like a big deal to me

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

Actually a fifth, and it's not Germans but just German voters. But yeah, otherwise, true.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

a populist, useless, unhelpful, racist act that goes both against the German constitution and against EU rules

Germany is de facto already enforcing permanent border controls, as well as Austria.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Those (already pretty pointless) measures were supposed to be temporary, limited to 6 months. The law the CxU is trying to get through parliament tomorrow will make that permanent. And that's only one part of CxU's "5-item plan", and probably the most harmless to the people affected by it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

The Border Controls at the Swiss and Austrian Border go already for years, not 6 Months, hence they are already illegal

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, hello, I am also unhappy with the title. Is this about facesitting or something? πŸ€”

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

fascists

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

I was really sure it'd be the USA starting WW3 this time but the Germans really want no one else to claim those WW titles, do they?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As is tradition

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

How's the BSW voting on this? I know they're sort of hopping on the immigrants bashing bandwagon but hope they have the sense not to align with the fascists.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

They said that they will support the passing of the law on Friday.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

all 8 BSW representatives abstained (2 weren't there)

https://www.bundestag.de/parlament/plenum/abstimmung/abstimmung?id=940

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

They didn't vote. There was an overview somewhere on lemmy

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

FDP = ECONOMYCALLY liberal

They want companies to do whatever they wish. They are the party of the rich. That's it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Just get in a train in Poland and drive across the border... They can't stop you at the border without stopping the trains, which won't happen...

Everyone knows, this is regarding the election...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My theory is that Merz is looking to poach AfD voters, by "aligning" with their biggest point of immigration to strengthen his chancellor candidacy. But I'm also not THAT informed on the current events.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I guess, that he really wants to work together with them. He regularly uses their talking points and hints into the direction that people have to talk with them. The latest homicide (an immigrant killed a man and a 2 year old) is great for shifting the discourse to the right.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Germany is on its way to fascism

I'll just remind you guys that NSDAP never got the majority in the parliment. They had minority with bad perspective for future due to the economy recovering from the great depression.

It was the social democrats from SPD who pushed Hitler into chancellor position raising the nazis into power.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I wonder why they chose to do it right before the elections

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Imagine, the center-left established a main topic for the election.... No, the conservatoves prefer warming up the soup called migration once again.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

basically because they assume they could steal votes from the far right by adopting far right topics themselves. It's been proven that this doesn't work though. People then tend to vote for the "original" instead. In fact, adopting far right positions even has a net positive effect for the far right party because a mainstream party now validates their propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

That makes sense. Why would you vote for the fake facists when you can vote for the real facists I guess

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If Germans once again vote like sheeple, I'm not sure how the rest of Europe will react this time. Maybe it'll be the same mistake of "nah, they surely won't be that crazy" until tanks roll into Warsaw and Paris. Who knows.

But the German population has the chance to stop this at the next elections. They just have to decide that they want to. If not, well, they make their own beds.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Most of the rest of Europe has similar issues. Poland has had PiS for a long time, France sees Macron working with LePen, Italy is right wing under Meloni, Netherlands have the right wing in party in the government right now and there are plenty more. Germany is pretty much the last large country standing and this looks bad.

EDIT: Forgot Spain is also doing well. Sorry

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm French, and honestly, I don't think tanks would roll into Paris like you said. France would 100% go fascist as well...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't know if France would go fascist, since I'm not french, but one other caveat against tanks rolling into Paris is that France has nukes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the french gov has been flirting with fascist rhetoric for the past 6 years

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not disagreeing with you. I am just not too involved in the intricacies of French governance. But I can say that nukes would be a deterrent against a German invasion!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

oh for sure

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

At least it won't be a war, eh?

:'(

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Sadly a lot of the voters dont care. It is literally the same as in the US, where over 50% voted for a facist.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

again?

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