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[–] [email protected] 69 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We’re destroying the Amazon for cattle but haha birds eat rodents lmao gottem

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I had thought that veganism was more of a beliefs thing: to not eat products of exploitation, but then I heard the honey thing. The honey thing might be just from an overbearing vegan, or I just don't know the details, but beekeeping just looks so peaceful

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

AFAIK many (?, please correct) vegans don't eat honey, and that's consistent with most of the people I know IRL. It tends to sway between "I try not to eat animal products" and "harvesting honey hurts/exploits bees", the latter of which may be true for industry-scale honey, but I don't see why local honey isn't an option

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

I think the problem isn't that we eat meat. It's that we torture the animals and have them live in deplorable conditions before we eat them. If we all hunted or raised our own animals or had the animals live in decent conditions it would be less of an issue for most REASONABLE vegans and vegetarians. I used to be vegan and vegetarian a decade so I get it a bit. I hated it when anyone would bitch about other people's food choices, but then complain when they did the same to them for their food choices. Both sides I mean. I had some non-veggies once they found out I didn't eat meat would attack me for it. When I did start eating meat again some vegans and vegetarians would attack me for it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I know that the industry is horrific. I have battled internally with becoming a vegan. And this isn't a but, it's just something i thought about once when thinking about the argument that whilst in nature, animals eat other animals, its not the same as what we do as we farma dn torture animals to get the meat....

Its cats....

Cats torture their prey....

They play with it, and maim it and keep it alive for as long as possible so they can chase it, for fun...

And sometimes they just fucking leave it there when it dies.

And we love cats. Even vegans love cats.

And that sort of makes me laugh a bit.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

For me, I think the difference is that I have the means and opportunity to reduce (an incredibly minor amount, I know) the suffering of animals everywhere by not eating meat, so I feel somewhat an obligation to do so.

Whereas a cat does not have the knowledge or information or desire to make that sort of decision making. So I love them anyway...I just don't let them outside so they can't murder every living thing nearby for fun.

To each his own, that's just my personal impetus to be meat free.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Yeah, I think this is the big difference. We have the capacity to rationalize and introspect. If we can make a change for the better (and know we can), how do we justify not making it?

Sometimes the reason is “it’s hard” or an apathetic “it doesn’t matter”. But I think it’s very difficult to come to the conclusion that it’s (consumption of meat) the correct thing to do.

I say this as someone who commonly falls into the “it’s tough” bucket.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Most of the time, adults don't torture their prey. Kittens aren't born with the ability to hunt, and their instincts need to develop too. So the mom brings home live prey for the kittens to play with. Sometimes adults keep this behaviour.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Absolutely, the meat industry needs to be clamped down on hard

But, there are plenty of vegans who also rail against alternatives like lab grown beef which is still meat but bypasses all the problems with the meat industry of today

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh wow OP, I didn't know you were a hunter!

Or are you just a sweaty fatso that posts trash boomer memes and gets meat delivered and wrapped in plastic?

Yeah, thought so.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The survival of the fittest narrative was debunked almost as soon as it existed, and that debunking is what forms the ideological basis of mutual aid. That people continue to spread this toxic misinformation over a century later is a testament to the unfortunate tenacity of lies.

Even in the most brutal depths of the natural world, cooperation is still the overarching basis of ecosystem health. It's known in Permaculture, for instance, that too much competition results in resource depletions.

A vegan ethic is inline with a growing awareness and need for us all to learn to expand our capacities of empathy and compassion, from those who are most like us, to those who are most unlike us.

On the topic of wilderness areas, vegans are divided on what the right approaches are. Some of us compare natural biomes to sovereign nations - while we dislike the harms that occur in those places, we feel a need to allow other species their independence to have their self-determination, if for no other reason than the fact that nature is the basis of maintaining a habitable planet, and interference in ecosystems should only be done with the utmost care.

But there are other vegans who do believe strongly that we should be intervening in wild places as well, with the goals of eliminating predation all together, and managing wildlife populations in more ethical ways.

It's a highly contentious topic to be honest.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I feel like this is the “attack helicopter” joke of veganism

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Isn't that every joke on veganism?

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