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Proton Mail, known for its privacy-first email services, faced backlash after CEO Andy Yen praised the Republican Party and its antitrust stance.

The company initially posted and deleted a statement supporting Yen’s comments, later claiming an “internal miscommunication” and reiterating its political neutrality.

Critics question Proton’s impartiality, particularly as it cooperates with Swiss authorities on legal data requests.

Privacy advocates warn that political alignments could undermine trust, especially for Proton’s users—journalists and activists wary of government surveillance under administrations like Trump’s.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

The Swiss just can't help themselves

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (15 children)

I really don't understand why smart people put their eggs in the proton basket.

Big (shady) money rule Switzerland. A Swiss server or company isn't safer or more trustworthy. Quite the opposite.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yep and if you look at some corrupt sports bosses like Sepp Blatter, Gianni Infantino and Rene Fasel, all are Swiss.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

Thank you! I was also very confused how all these privacy-conscious people warned against big corporations, and then starting using a product.... By a big corporation. Just because they say they're privacy conscious and nice and safe and whatever doesn't mean it's true. I mean, they might be substantially better, but there's no proof of that. Every company always makes promises, at first. I guess people really like to believe in an underdog.

It's like if someone warned you against eating sweets because they're unhealthy, but then pulls out their own bag of sweets saying "oh no, these sweets are fine because the company that makes them promised they're healthy".

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you for sharing this

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I think at this point in the USA it's very clear:

If you're "politically neutral", you're Republican.

I (and very many others) may not agree with the democrats, but since we only got two parties there, it's damage-control. And any sane person (that would like to have a non-dystopian future) votes against Trump...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, I know, I'm also not from the USA from a "neutral" state (Austria)...

Actually, especially if you're European, even the democrats are more right-leaning, i.e. comparable with the conservative parties here.

No one is actually politically neutral...

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

Is this the story from a week or so ago re-reported or has he said something else?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It does make sense that a country located in Switzerland has this type of being "neutral", it's seems very similar to what the country was doing in WW1 and WW2.

Anyway, I'll be keeping my Proton account. It works pretty well and I have more faith in the laws in Switzerland than in the EU. Saying that I still have more faith in the EU than the rest of the world if it comes to privacy. If anything changes in the future I'll be moved in about an hour or two.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

I cancelled my subscription and moved to tuta and mailbox.org in a couple of hours.

I don't consider this a nothingburger and I didn't like how it played out.

Dollar vote.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (23 children)

Wow. There's a whole lot of people here reacting to the headline, and not actually reading the story. That's important, because the journalist's headline is (shocker) a huge overstatement.

I was concerned as I'm a Proton user and have been for years, and hard left politically, and despise Trump. But maybe lets just read it before reacting?

Here's what the CEO posted on Xitter:

10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned.

Yep. That's a bad look. Doesn't make a lot of sense either because the Republicans are very much the party of big business and corporate handouts and deregulation in oil, gas, energy, mining, manufacture, industrial farming etc.

Then here's what Proton's team said on Reddit as an explanation and expansion of the CEO's post (and then later deleted):

Here is our official response, also available on the Mastodon post in the screenshot:

Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation.

Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidentally has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote.

At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance.

By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade first hand.

Dems had a choice between the progressive wing (Bernie Sanders, etc), versus corporate Dems, but in the end money won and constituents lost.

Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.

First off, I feel like I've read from hundreds of Lemmy users total agreement that the Democratic party is captured by corporate interests, so I really doubt any disagreement with that section of Proton's post. My reaction to the remainder is that it's not at all praise for the Republican party, just the factual statement of the sad reality that Republicans with their very hard-on-Silicon-Valley rhetoric are more likely to actually reign in the big tech companies than the Democratic party - and Proton is in a good position to have seen this first hand. Zero of the statement praises Trump or praises Republicans, and there is in fact lament that the Democrats didn't stick harder with their left-wing candidates, even highlighting Bernie. I can see why they deleted it though, it's office chatter than never should have left the cubicle.

TL;DR: storm in a teacup, I'll be keeping my Proton mail account.

p.s. yes this is my first Lemmy post. I'm a longtime lurker though. I felt strongly enough about this to make an account to post, as nobody seemed to be actually posting the content of the article - just reacting. Edit: typos & formatting of the quote.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Nicely said.

I had my doubts, I mailed Proton and they responded with a statement Yen his opinion isn't that of Proton, his comment while using the Proton account was a mistake which has been deleted and Proton changed to a foundation so no one, including a CEO like Yen, can change what Proton stands for.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

Same for me. Was it kind of stupid what the CEO said? Yes, sure, but who the fuck does not do that from time to time?

I also hate this mentality, that if you agree with a decision a party / person made, then that means you agree with everything they stand for. Bitch, no!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

Yep, a complete drama over nothing that got many people start a witch hunt. We already reached the point in which the guy is now a Nazi for having chosen a username with 88 in it, despite the fact that he is Taiwanese AND born in that year. Basically this is the well-meaning, internet vigilantes version of "bill gates injects 5g microchips with vaccines".

It's what happens when politics becomes faith.

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