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Submission Statement

Between 2001 and 2021, under four U.S. presidents, the United States spent approximately $2.3 trillion, with 2,459 American military fatalities and up to 360,000 estimated Afghan civilian deaths.

After the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan in August 2021, approximately $7.12 billion worth of military equipment was left behind, according to a 2022 Department of Defense report. This equipment, transferred to the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF) from 2005 to 2021, included:

Weapons: Over 300,000 of 427,300 weapons, including rifles like M4s and M16s.  
Vehicles: More than 40,000 of 96,000 military vehicles, including 12,000 Humvees and 1,000 armored vehicles.  
Aircraft: 78 aircraft, valued at $923.3 million, left at Hamid Karzai International Airport, all demilitarized and rendered inoperable.  
Munitions: 9,524 air-to-ground munitions worth $6.54 million, mostly non-precision.  
Communications and Specialized Equipment: Nearly all communications gear (e.g., radios, encryption devices) and 42,000 pieces of night vision, surveillance, biometric, and positioning equipment.  

The total equipment provided to the ANDSF was valued at $18.6 billion, with the $7.12 billion figure representing what remained after the withdrawal. Much of this equipment is now under Taliban control, though its operational capability is limited due to the need for specialized maintenance and technical expertise.

The United States has provided at least $93.41 billion in total aid to Afghanistan since 2001. This includes:

Military Aid (2001–2020): Approximately $72.7 billion (in current dollars), primarily through the Afghanistan Security Forces Fund ($71.7 billion) and other programs like International Military Education and Training, Foreign Military Financing, and Peacekeeping Operations ($1 billion combined).  

Humanitarian and Reconstruction Aid (2001–2025): Around $20.71 billion, including $3 billion in humanitarian and development aid post-2021 and $3.5 billion in frozen Afghan assets transferred to the Afghan Fund in 2022. Pre-2021 reconstruction and humanitarian aid (e.g., $174 million in 2001 and $300 million pledged in 2002) adds to this, though exact figures for the full period are less clear.  
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thousands of lives

Ya kinda are forgetting the lives lost on the Afghani side there buddy

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Super Troopers joke about the Taliban warlord was in date, then hilariously out of date, then disturbingly in date again.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I learned 2 important lesson from this.

  1. You can't bomb people into liking you.

  2. Most people don't give a shit about number 1.

Edit: AutoIncorrect got me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (18 children)

And yet, I've seen people on here criticize the withdrawal. Like, how much longer did you wanna stay, dawg? Another 20 years so the proxy we set up would last another week?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

This happened a lot around Afghanistan too.

If there's one thing both sides love in this country, it's permanent warfare, provided they can get the poors to do all the fighting and dying.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So many people are "anti-war," except for the current one.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

I mean yeah, all that, but did you even stop to consider how absolutely insanely wealthy we made like 7 people!?

God you people are so selfish with your wah wah thousands upon thousands have died! Think of the rich people for once!

:P

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Throw another 20 years at it

Hell, throw another 100 years at it, it wouldn't make a difference

Doesn't even matter which country invades, it won't hold it for long.

Even Alexander the Great only briefly held it for 25 years after defeating Darius III

The people didn't want us there and we weren't interested in forcing ourselves on them like some kind of brutal Soviet satellite state

The rampant unchecked corruption was way worse than we thought and it was a major consideration for pulling out

Can't help people who are unwilling to help themselves

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Just wait.

In a few years we're going to find out similar corruption occurred in Ukraine.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The war in Afghanistan was never about helping anyone. 🙄

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

not about helping anyone

Cancer is how americans show love.

That and bombing your village.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Initially, no. I'm still baffled that we bothered staying at all. Later on it transitioned from it being primarily a combat mission to a combat mission plus a side humanitarian effort

When it was beyond clear that the people weren't interested in our way of life at all, then they waited 10+ years and pulled the plug

Had to make sure the contractor companies got theirs first

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

People weren't interested in gifts brought by colonizers. It's not our way of life, it's the fact that we forced it on them at the end a gun.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Not really. We presented opportunities and they rejected them.

The US led coalition established a system of voting, Afghans risked their lives to vote

Other Afghans threatened to kill them if they voted, and many followed through with their threats

The US led coalition built schools, some risked their lives to attend

Other Afghans threatened to kill them if they attended, and many followed through with their threats

The US led coalition provided food and healthcare, many happily accepted

Others Afghans stole food and healthcare supplies and kept them from being distributed to other Afghans

The US led coalition provided new critical public infrastructure, many Afghans were overjoyed by the increase in their quality of life

Other Afghans destroyed that infrastructure with explosives and killed many Afghans in the process

No one was forced to accept it, the end of a gun came from other Afghans

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Voting in rigged elections forced on them by the occupation for candidates forced on them by the occupation. Colonial schools that were meant to preach occupation propaganda to train up the next generation of compradores. Aid that is conditional on not being a resistance fighter against the colonial occupation and laying down their arms for their occupiers. And all of that infrastructure comes with strings attached and with debts that are expected to be repaid.

They're not backward mud people, they were resisting colonial occupation.

Every gift from the Great Satan is poison.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Because america is special?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

"Invade Afghanistan, you will regret it," is one of history's NCDish lessons. Like:

  • Don't invade Russia in winter.
  • Don't let Germany get too economically depressed.
  • Don't let the Chinese people get too unhappy with their govt.

Iran feels geographically close enough to inherit the curse for sure.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think that's what they're after. It's oil and money somehow at the root, it always is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's Israeli hegemony. The entire point of American conquest in the Middle East is Zionism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Really? Isn’t it famously petroleum and shipping lanes?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nah. Whenever I see Zionism used as a giant umbrella, I know that person is stirring up shit and/or is antisemitic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Whenever I hear an inconvenient theory I turn off critical thinking and assassinate the person's character in my mind

Genetic fallacy

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Let's see how your critical thinking got you to that end result. Show your work.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Because yanks have always thought that they're somehow special, that things will be different when they do it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Did the soviets bring a mobile burger king?

No?

Then shut the hell up.it was obviously different.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

This is correct.

And we didn't learn our lesson from the Vietnamese, because most people here aren't able to read above a third-grade level.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Well, with Vietnam, we literally did a fucking false flag to give ourself a pretense.

I really can’t blame 9/11 Truthers that much, the fact that the Gulf of Tonkin shit happened is fucking insane. Vietnam won its independence fair and square, we should have stayed the fuck out.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Actually, most yanks don't feel this way. Big business, CIA/FBI, Gov't wants resources, weapon sales, drug and human trafficking, all things to keep the rich ....rich. They use the two party system, which is really a uni-party system controlled by them, to keep the masses fighting amongst themselves while they proceed with war and taking away human rights under war-times.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I get you, but I'm not just talking about US military aggression

I'm talking about the whole absurd notion of American exceptionalism

I've known so many Americans who have been relatively educated and aware of the world outside of 'Murica, but even then they are shocked that the rest of the world does things differently, usually better, and that they aren't special to anyone other than themselves

If you live in a more civilised part of the country, and move in more educated and civilised circles, it's horrifying how ignorant the overwhelming majority of Americans are

Things being different is simply beyond their ken

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

And I understand your point, but you are generalizing also. I think it would be better to say SOME American's are like what you describe, and I would say, because it is usually a class thing within American society. Lower, middle, even some upper classes don't get to travel, or don't want to (or go on horrible isolated cruise ships,) outside the US and aren't exposed to the world they grew up in. Also, our education system, thanks to the rich again, has been destroyed. But, that doesn't apply to everyone, and when you generalize, it is offensive to many. There is an American pride that is built in to our upbringing, as in most places, but what might be unique here is the rich/corporate/gov't exploit that patriotism and use it as propaganda so it is easier to manufacture the selling of war.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Americans definitely all seem to be patriotic, like they say stuff like, "I'm as patriotic as the next guy, but was carpet bombing all those villages worth it?"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

That's a defense mechanism. If you don't say "I support the troops" first, your opinion has no credibility because you're a hippie tree hugger. Sad, but that's how it is.

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