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Gimme some evidence that anyone at all in the government is pushing back on Trump with any effectiveness at all. Someone throw me a bone here. 😬 (lemmy.ml)

submitted 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I'm starting to really consider the whole "reality is a simulation" angle, and whoever is running the game has put in a cheat code. (not really really, but more than I ever have before)

It's like a shitty unrealistic movie plot has unfolded over the past decade. And every time it looks like maybe things are heading back on track, BOOM, we get another event that just turns us right back on the track to crazytown.

I'm having a hard time coming up with anything I can cling to in the hopes that Project 2025 isn't going to go exactly as planned down to the last detail.

How are we not going to become real-world Gilead (but with more racism)?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago

Who just knocked?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 weeks ago

I mean Jesus did literally walk into temples and flip tables over and kick people out for bad behavior, so this isn't far off.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

The Inspectors General that Trump is trying to fire basically told him to fuck off.

Under a law passed in 2022 (you know, when the Dems were doing nothing 🙄) the president has to give Congress 1) 30 days notice of firing an IG and 2) enumerate the reasons why that IG was being fired. The second any reason is given to Congress these people are going to sue for wrongful termination since it's blatantly obvious to everyone Trump is trying to rid the government of anyone who could hold him accountable.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Oh yeah I saw that headline when I got up this morning and it made me happy to see. But talk me down the tree a little further if you can.

In the current state I don't see how it matters. I'm glad they did it. I appreciate the gesture, and I think it was an important one. But I feel like we're all still pretending that laws and norms matter when clearly they no longer do for Trump and anyone under him.

What exactly stops him from having these people forcibly removed and/or their access to government resources cut, their paychecks held, their clearances revoked, etc? Who is in charge of those things that can stand up to that?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

My concern as well. Trump really doesn’t seem to give a damn this go-around. There were people in place that hit the brakes on him last time, but this time nobody’s doing shit.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Open the fucking door!!

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Some reporting is saying impeachment is being floated, suing the president has been a matter of course since Obama took office and hasn't stopped since, he's already issuing orders that are blatantly illegal and clearly violate the constitution. There are a lot of openings to fight back right now. Is anyone? Idk.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I doubt this to the point I would bet money against it if I could.

Did you not see that a proposal to amend the constitution for 3 terms was ACTUALLY proposed by a Congressperson from TN?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The republicans do not have enough of a majority in either house to get that through.

I sincerely doubt they are going to convince a third of the Dems to support it either

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

Remember that you'd have to get at least 38 state legislatures to ratify it as well. Getting any amendments passed in the modern day is a whole circus in and of itself, and I highly doubt there's enough political capital to get such an obviously targeted amendment (since the candidate in question would've had to have two nonconsecutive terms - meaning this applies to Grocer Cleveland and Donald Trump) passed.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

I'm beginning to think this term is more about Vance more than Trump. At least, that's the plan by those behind Trump.

Let Trump go mad and do everything evil at a hundred miles an hour, which is what's underway. Create utter chaos and make it impossible for anyone to draw breath and structure a defence. Then when the country finally pushes back (Maybe after about year) and he's impeached, slip in JD Vance as a more moderate leader and everyone will be so grateful the Republicans secure several terms by turning against and blaming everything on Trump.

I could be wrong. Anyone making predictions in this chaos is guessing.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

The stun lock keeps on as planned

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago

I AM the one who knocks ~out~ ~your~ ~nazi~ ~face~ ~to~ ~the~ ~pavement~

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I actually have more hope. Every fascist regime ultimately fell and outside of the billionaire controlled media it will be difficult to burn the records.

The reality is that a two tiered justice system will always create a group of people who feel emboldened. The correct response is to document these people's crimes, and stay mad. If the opportunity to hold them accountable comes, take it.

The democrats still aren't taking this seriously because they will be among the last to be targeted directly. Their friends are still people like Netanyanhu who flout a similar multi tiered justice system.

Work toward building local governments who will push back and provide resources for people who need it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I actually have more hope. Every fascist regime ultimately fell

Sometimes it takes a world war to do that.

If the opportunity to hold them accountable comes, take it.

We had that opportunity. Biden and the AG he appointed squandered it, and there's no indication that it won't happen with the next corpodem.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don’t know if this is necessarily a good thing, but I’m a firm believer in the political pendulum, and I believe that if Trump fails to provide what he promised to the working class in terms of economic prosperity we will see the rise of a left wing populist movement in America (perhaps the first of its kind?). I’m not talking a Bernie Sanders Social Democrat but a full blown socialist movement. The risk here is that this movement could rise from within MAGA itself, keeping the cultural/social framework (aka white nationalism) but ditching the economic framework (capitalism). Already there are factions within the alt and new right that flirt with socialist ideals.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Already there are factions within the alt and new right that flirt with socialist ideals.

Examples? Seems inherently contradictory.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

https://www.greeneuropeanjournal.eu/imitation-game-the-rise-of-conservative-socialism/

This next article describes it very well

https://quillette.com/2022/12/27/on-conservative-socialism/

This is more relevant to Europe but I have seen discussions in online boards with similar ideas in the US. The alt right is defined more by its desire to remove immigrants and anti elite sentiment than any economic ideology. For proof see how protectionist policies are very popular among them, when anyone who is fundamentally capitalist would be against them. They see globalism, a fundamental feature of capitalism as a threat to an ideal white Christian society.

Remember how Athenians called themselves a democracy but excluded everyone but rich males from participating in it? It’s a similar concept.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

When has cognitive dissonance and being contradictory stopped the right wing in the US?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Buy a gun and practice marksmanship, you limp-wrist coward. Complain online while doing nothing and watch the world burn or do what I do and join an LGBTQ marksmanship club, protest, give back to local community with volunteer hours,.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Using a slur and telling someone to join an LGBT group is certainly a choice.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Is “limp-wrist coward” a slur? Seems more like an insult of someone’s habits.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What habits?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Complaining about politics online instead of taking action.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Please don't demand that people casually buy guns. They are a massive responsibility and require total vigilance of all safety rules at all times when being handled or carried. Get armed, but only if you're willing to handle the responsibility. Not everyone can own a gun, it's always best to advocate for educated self defense with an emphasis on de-escalation.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

MAGA ICE Jesus no hablo ingles

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I want to add a running theme in GRRM's A Song of Ice and Fire is that doing gross and inhumane things may horrify us in the moment and make us feel overwhelmed but tends to turn around on those who would resort to such methods despite Tyrion Lannister's opinion that those methods are not to be taken off the table when considering options.

The most well known example in the series was the Red Wedding, the marriage of Edmure Tully, Roslin Frey, which was followed by the massacre of Rob and Catelyn Stark and many others, while under the protection of the tradition of hospitality. If we ignore the GoT Season 8 revenge by Arya Stark (which isn't canon but is based off an implied plot by Lord Manderly), reputation of fell deed figured in House Frey losing allies and trade, and Frey casualties numbered to exceed all its gains and those inflicted on Stark and its allies.

IRL, Trump's heavy-handed response to the George Floyd protests in 2020 only doubled the protest sizes in the following days. Notoriously after Putin-style LGMs (unmarked uniformed men in military gear abducting citizens without due process) and brutal police action at the Portland ICE building resulted in the moms joining the protests and then the dads (who brought their wireless leaf blowers, handy against CS gas).

An example that will be applicable to the US is the rise of the French Résistance during the German occupation of France. Despite efforts by German administrators to advice soldiers to stay polite, they couldn't help themselves and were brutal to the French civilians. The people started engaging in light direct action, tearing down or defacing German propaganda, slashing tires, cutting phone lines, until they found each other and organized. Within two years, they were a formidable fighting force.

Yes, the find out portion of the upcoming era is going to be harsh. People who need services and supplies will not get them. Police will be cruel to folks at the border, and may even hunt down migrants and Trans folks like the SS after Jews. It will be fucking scary, but it will turn bystanders into resistance sympathists, sympathists into activists and activists into militants. And yes, it appears police just can't help themselves but be brutal, and the resistance will not only feel justified in cutting them down, but will eventually hunt them to the ends of the earth to assure they see tribunal, even when the last guard and bureaucrat is ninety.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Plenty of despots around the world stayed in power for decades and died peacefully in their beds. Tyranny as a means of maintaining power is a "solved problem" and Americans are no smarter or more sophisticated than the citizens of North Korea, Cameroon, Congo or Uganda. Or Spain or Portugal for that matter.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

One BIG thing to consider is that in other countries citizens weren't nearly as well armed as the U.S.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Yes. And if we go down that path, not only will millions perish in the purges, but then China will take us economically, and may be the Allies to our Axis.

And much like Germany, the brain drain and infighting at the top ranks will slow them down and become an exploitable weakness.

If we're not careful, we'll organize a rebellion and overthrow the Trump regime only to have it replaced with another despot, and then (as the pattern goes) another and another and another until everyone knows someone who's perished in the fighting. And that's no guarantee of a democracy.

It's one of the reasons I've advocated we do something that (AFAIK) we've never tried before, and create a constitution before we try to overthrow the government. Make it public; get legal experts to pick at it for loopholes and exploits to close until it's ironclad. And then, unlike the constitutional framers of the US, don't let the fighting leaders take place as administrative officials.

But I'm a novice at history and sociopolitical studies. Maybe we are doomed to a century of tyranny and all we have wrought will burn in fire. But I know instances have occurred in which something different happened, via non-violent resistance, even.

At this point get involved with your mutual aid orgs and community orgs. The more of us that organize to resist, the more likely it will actually succeed.

PS: To borrow some phrasing from Donald Rumsfeld, You build a society with the people you have, not the people you wish you had or might have at a later time. But we do still have access to the internet, and not just Facebook and Twitter, even if a lot of people barely move beyond social media. We have the resources to train people to think critically, to develop class consciousness and civic and political literacy.

ETA: PSS: Feel free to use that phrase and accredit as Rumsfeld's law. I'll enjoy the schadenfreude of the guy who tried to justify state-sanctioned torture programs being grossly annoyed that he is attributed with a left-wing adage.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Who is Mike Pineapple?

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