get firefox and ublock origin.
its so fucking simple, why do people have such weird attachment to chrome??
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Not so much chrome, but many browsers (like my favorite Vivaldi) are chromium based. I wish they'd just keep uBlock going in the chromium rebuilds, but IDK if that's possible. Seems like it should be to me though.
Also, we switched at work from Firefox because somehow they broke system level updates a few years ago, and nothing I could do was able to figure out why their installer stopped working without first having someone run the uninstall graphically to update to the new version. It would just say Firefox wasn't a valid windows exe till I manually removed it. And even the Mozilla Enterprise list seemed flummoxed. Honestly, I think they should have reverted the installer change, or even just use a standard installer that doesn't have this problem, but hey.
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We are in the middle of rolling out a new SaaS solution at work that just works better in Edge. The amount of outrageous levels of anger and disgust we get from telling them to use Edge is stupid. Even telling users it is built on Chromium, just like Chrome, does nothing to dissuade their unfounded anger.
With some people it actually comes down to telling them, "if you don't use Edge, then I guess you need to start looking for another job that only uses Chrome".
I just don't get it.
Edge can go fucking die, MS has lost all trust with me when it comes to them and Internet Browsers, I rip edge out of all my systems no matter what it might "break".
Maybe you should deploy solutions that are browser agnostic. That kind of shit is how we ended up with IE and its proprietary BS like ActiveX years ago. Clearly, people are forgetting history
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Agreed on using Firefox/LibreWolf and uBlock Origin, I love that combination. I think the thing is that Google Chrome is much faster than Firefox on Android phones (I don't mind, I hardly ever use mobile to browse), and long time habits can be hard to break for some people.
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Everyone losing their minds over this like Firefox doesn't exist.
Stop using Chrome.
The reason this is even a big problem is because everyone piled on Google's browser despite all the obvious reasons that wasn't gonna be a good idea on the long term.
I never understood why anybody thought a company – whose principal business is advertising and data mining – wouldn't eventually rug pull everyone like this with their browser as soon as it hit critical mass for market share.
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And google will kill its self
Nah, they know what they're doing.
Wishful thinking on my part tbh, I forget that there is an ecosystem with gmail :/
Yeah and it's kinda hard to get off from that. I'm in the process of switching my 2 gmail accounts to 2 proton ones and it seems that the ProtonMail app's free plan doesn't support multiple emails. Understandable but sad.
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Who uses chrome anyway even there's vivaldi
why are people that allergic to firefox?
vivaldi is chrome with extra steps
Mostly because the browsing experience IMO is much much worse with Firefox. I tried extensions to get functionality back, it made it worse - slower, buggy, extensions would stop being developed etc. I wish Firefox was better, I really do. But IME it's frozen functionality like it's 2010 or so. Like, they have tabs, who hoo. I really find save/restore, multi window control, tab stacks, sessions, workspaces, and easy UI config pretty important in day to day use. That said, I also think ads are a deal breaker, but I really wonder if this won't bring back some of the ad-blocking proxies you run locally or something.
Or, someone forks chromium to keep Manifest v2 or whatever.
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All browser companies monetise you to some extent. Even Firefox does this a bit (Paid deals make Google is the default search, and Amazon search is also paid to be included as a link for example).
However the big difference is the private companies like Vivaldi, Brave etc monetise your data more and less transparently, plus the entire Chromium ecosystem is basically under Google's control. Manifest 3 will not be restricted to Chrome, it is being built into the Chromium project and will end up in Chrome, Microsoft Edge, Vivaldi, Brave etc. Chromium is a trojan horse project, used to push Google's priorities and objectives across the web, not end users.
The only viable alternative is Firefox based browsers. I use Firefox itself (aware of it's compromises and using a whole host of extensions), but there are also forks and projects that strip even Firefox's compromises back - LibreWolf in particular. For all the flaws of the Mozilla foundation, it is transparent on what it does to keep the project going, and the independence of the project compared to chromium is hugely important. Note Firefox is also going to support Manifest V3 (so that extensions can continue to be cross-browser) BUT it is also keeping support for the key APIs that Google is removing (i.e. the ability for extensions to use the block webRequest API which is foundational to current Ad and privacy protection extensions).
Vivaldi is no different to other Chromium based broswers; it uses the exact same Google controlled code base, plus it is doing everything it can to monetise you. You are the product; all these companies are stealing and financially exploiting your data and we're all just handing it to them on a platter for free and thanking them for fucking us over.
I don't see any reason to think Vivaldi is trying to monetize it's users, it seems to have a lot of privacy features and the like. They strip out the chromium spying.
All beautifully preached to the choir. Now: how to communicate all this to the unwashed masses who think the web and the internet and Chrome are all the same thing? Serious question.
Good one. I'd say it is too late already. USA big tech is almost everywhere, and countless people are addicted to USA big tech, especially on their phones, and do not ask critical questions anymore.
Who uses vivaldi anyway even there’s firefox
I just can't use a browser so... primitive? I wold gladly change to Firefox if it gave me all the customisation options Vivaldi has. Mouse gestures, synchronising my settings across 2 PCs and an android phone, shortcuts to different searchers etc. Plus it would need to be visually customisable so od doesn't irritate me every couple of minutes.
Mouse gestures, synchronising my settings across 2 PCs and an android phone, shortcuts to different searchers etc. Plus it would need to be visually customisable
It sounds like perhaps you haven't looked into Firefox for a while, because out of the box it does all of the things you listed, except for gestures. There are multiple popular plugins that provide Firefox gestures easily. I'm not sure what visual customizations you're referring to, but Firefox also has had support for themes for ages now.
except for gestures
2 finger swipe to the left or right is the gesture to go back and forward, don't know what other gestures you'd need.
I don't care for themes, just need night mode. I need the option to throw out any taskbars except fot tabs and address bar. Including any search window. I need a zoom slider at the bottom right corner, and this is a must. It's also nice to have these things built in instead of looking for extensions. And You are right, o haven't looked into Firefox for a long time.
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Browser Wars!!!!!!!!!
Choose a Firefox-based browser instead for open source.