This week’s “breakthrough” in ceasefire negotiations to end the genocidal campaign against Gaza came, according to regional sources, after a single intervention by US president-elect Trump’s designated envoy Steve Witkoff in which he ordered Netanyahu's government to capitulate.
While we might be skeptical of Trump’s habit of claiming credit for any progress, it was corroborated by the far-right members of the Netanyahu government erupting into the kind of tantrum for which they are now world-famous, framing the deal as a disaster imposed on "Israel" by the incoming administration.
In the aftermath of Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, Biden, while parroting "Israel’s" atrocity propaganda about beheaded infants in ovens, gave Netanyahu a carte blanche to declare total war on the people of Gaza. As the unique scale of the atrocities in the Strip became clear, Biden proceeded, through his spineless UN ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield, to provide diplomatic cover for the genocide at the Security Council.
In June, Biden lied that a ceasefire deal had finally been reached, that it was at the initiative of the Netanyahu government, and that the Israeli leadership had accepted it. Secretary of State Antony Blinken clownishly trumpeted this falsehood, along with the claim that the only impediment to the ceasefire was Hamas’ refusal of its terms. It was well known at the time to be a lie, but the breakthrough of the last week confirms it beyond all doubt.
Insane to think Trump actually did more than Biden for the palestinians before he even was in office.
The most disgusting part about this whole episode is that all it took was Trump threatening to cut off the money and weapons.
Biden could have done that at any time over the past year and instead just kept sending tens of billions of dollars, without conditions.
What did trump actually do? What exactly did he say? I've gotten into arguments with people on this platform who can't say how he got Israel to accept the deal, but also with a guy who thought it was the threats to Hamas (which is ridiculous, I don't think it was Hamas refusing this ceasefire deal). What did he actually say to Israel, that Biden didn't? All I can think of is he stopped saying that Israel can get even more, which means they were only keeping this up because he promised they could have even more. Maybe I'm wrong. Is there a source that says he threatened to withhold arms?
We don't know, we only know that he forced the deal, to the point where Witkoff got Netanyahu to receive him during the sabbath.
It it in the post.
This week’s “breakthrough” in ceasefire negotiations to end the genocidal campaign against Gaza came, according to regional sources, after a single intervention by US president-elect Trump’s designated envoy Steve Witkoff in which he ordered Netanyahu’s government to capitulate.
The president holds 100% of the leverage. If Biden was serious for a single second about trying to stop the genocide it would have ended instantly.
The us president can't order Israel without some kind of threat. That's not a threat. I bet Biden never said "stop I want to win this election" to Israel. Trump did call Israel during the election and said likely said "keep going I want to win this election"
Edit: I said threat, but there could also be an offer. What did he offer or threaten that Biden didn't? Or was it just the same, but Israel would not see the way or on the horizon?
Only the most terminally unserious, most Morning Joe-pilled liberals believe—or claim to believe—that Biden couldn’t have ended the genocide at any time over those 15 months.
I did not say he couldn't, I said trump got in the way. Then I asked what did trump do now that joe Biden didn't the past six months after Donald called Bibi last year. Why didn't he do this two months ago. And you bring up Reagan. It's like you know about Mr. Keep the hostages until I'm in office.
Lol, the absolute state of BlueAnon Biden simps. They're now seriously trying to argue that Trump somehow forced Biden to keep sending Israel weapons, vetoing every resolution against them, and generally do everything he could to protect them.
You know maybe nothing would have changed if trump hadn't contacted them before the election. I can give you that. Maybe they'd still be doing and there wouldn't be a ceasefire if things had gone differently. But also, maybe this could have happened months ago had those calls not taken place. And maybe this could have happened months ago had he called after the beginning of November. After all, it just took one phone call right? I don't know everything hypothetical. And now there is a ceasefire for the moment, which is good.
No, it couldn't. Because Biden made no effort to secure a ceasefire. It took one phone call, but Biden was not willing to make that phone call. The idea that Trump was somehow forcing Biden to keep sending Israel billions in arms for the past fifteen months is absolute brain-dead conspiracy on par with qanon.
I didn't say that Donald Trump forced the weapon shipments. I said he could have told Israel to not negotiate until now. I'd say it's a brain dead idea that Biden never said "stop it" once. Those weapon shipments will continue now regardless, and now the genocide will just be moved back to a cold phase until something happens,or it is complete.
The POTUS doesn't need to "negotiate" with Israel: Israel relies on the USA for its existence. If Biden told them "stop it" and they refused, he would have cut support and forced them to stop it.
But he didn't, because he is a fanatical supporter of Israel.
But of course you've already had this explained to you multiple times, your brain just refuses to accept it because it's been completed fucking broken by your team losing the election and it's in full on cope mode.
Israel couldn't have gone until the election without him? I don't know how much they have in store, but I assumed it was significant. Maybe I'm wrong there. They probably wouldn't have gone as hard, but there was no guarantee they would stop. There is certainly something different about trump saying stop it and Biden saying it. Are you assuming it's that Trump attached it to shipments? I don't know what is different myself. It could be several things. I'm not discounting the possibilities. He says it's his manly voice, and while that drips with sarcasm, I mean it could be? Maybe bidens a wimp and that was the difference. But... I'm also not discounting possibilities that disagree with that.
No, they could not. TRUMP COULD NOT FORCE THE BIDEN ADMIN TO KEEP SUPPORTING ISRAEL.
You're being deliberately stubborn now, I've explained this multiple times to you. Clearly there is no helping people like you who have fully practiced Qanon style conspiracy theory.
I didn't say that again. The all capital thing, I did not say that. I didn't say that Trump forced Biden to support anyone.
Yes. You did.
But I'm done indulging your willful playing dumb. For a year now, blueMaga liberals like you have insisted that just because you refuse to acknowledge obvious facts, the rest of us can't either. Clearly it costing them an election has only caused them to double down.
Maybe I implied that? I didn't mean to. Where did I say that. But the conspiracy theory you are referring to isn't that it forced joe Biden to send weapons (and yes he's a piece of shit for doing it, it's immoral). At least I don't know where I said that specifically (if trump calls someone I don't know how that forced joe Biden to do anything)
Was I not clear that I'm not going to indulge your willful playing dumb anymore?
Lol yeah, poor powerless POTUS just had no leverage to threaten Israel. Christ BlueAnon liberals are coping hard, this ceasefire has really broken your brains
I didn't say he was powerless. I said what leverage did Donald Trump use that joe Biden didn't and you cannot answer me. What beyond asking please did he do!
I don't know what specific piece of leverage he invoked, given that Israel is almost entirely reliant on the US to exist, it could be a lot of things: maybe he threatened to stop sending tens of billions in arms, maybe he threatened to withdraw USA military assets from Israel and Yemen. Maybe he threatened to stop protecting Israel from international law. Maybe he threatened to side with the International Court. Maybe he threatened sanctions, maybe he threatened an embargo. Maybe he threatened to deploy the US military to drive Israel out of Gaza.
The US has near infinite leverage over Israel, the fact that Biden refused to use it, because he supports Israel and it's genocide, doesn't change that.
Or maybe he didn't use any additional leverage and just pulled a Ronald Reagan. Or maybe he did use a form of leverage you aren't mentioning, offered to give them something when they stop, which a. Wouldn't necessarily be bad but also b. Wouldn't necessarily be mutually exclusive with pulling what Reagan did with Carter.
No.
Carter did not spend the year before the election aggressively supporting Iran, sending Iran billions in weapons, deploying the USA military to defend Iran, and shielding Iran from the international community and international law. Reagan could not force him to do that, just like Trump could not force Biden to do that. Biden chose to do that.
Oh shut the fuck up. Trump got Bibi to delay the cease-fire whole Biden was negotiating the actual peace deal.
Do you think decision not to arrest bibi and ship him to icc was made under trump orders?
For 8 months while Biden kept sending weapons? Talk about cope.
Total liberal cope.
They can’t fathom that they’re wrong and trump (so far) is the less evil option on the israel issue.
The lives of tens of thousands of foreigners will always be collateral to you chauvinistic fucks.
You seem to have replied to the wrong comment. The only other possibility is a failure in reading comprehension.
I think it's fantastic that lives will be temporarily saved.
Anyone who thinks this happened because Trump wants Gaza to be a better place for the people living there today is seeing what they want to see.
No, fuck off. I read your comment, and you declared the saving of tens of thousands of lives to be collateral to what you considered the more important issue of whether Trump is a good person or whatever. That is the classic behavior of American liberal chauvinists: far more concerned with the personal virtue and decorum of the para-social figures in their political drama than with the actual material effects on people's lives.
Well somehow I clicked delete instead of edit on my reply of a minute ago.
What I said was - No, I think you are being given crumbs to get you to embrace fascism, and I think it's working.
But then what I attempted to edit it to add was - and before you say it, the crumbs aren't the people. The crumbs are the brief pause so Trump can use the political power he gains to cement himself. Then he will let Netanyahu off the leash and it's not going to stop this time. That's my prediction.
No, I think you are being given crumbs to get you to embrace fascism, and I think it’s working.
Ok, go fuck yourself.
Deeply unserious person, like all BlueMAGA shitlibs
Man you need to work on some better insults. Those barely registered.
Yeah, sure. Are you going to say you're actually laughing next?
But I'm the troll here, meanwhile ad hom is all you have and your comments stay up.
An insult is not an adhom, go back to reddit.
I agree that’s it’s liberal cope, but I wouldn’t go so far as to assume that Trump will turn out to have been the less evil option. We were not given practicable non-evil option. Of course we weren’t.
Solely on the israel issue and still to be determined. But for now, on that issue alone, less evil.
The fact that we don’t have non evil versions is why the US is a failed country.
These people think the entire universe revolves around conspiracies to attack the Democrats. They cannot fathom that the Democrats are evil themselves.
I read a comment about how the entire genocide was staged by Israel to tank Bidens popularity. Like wow. Palestinians are experiencing a literal genocide at the hands of the Democrats, and somehow Liberals believe Democrats are the real victim.
I think there’s some truth to israel wanting to give trump the political win over biden, but it doesn’t make sense materially when biden has been Israel’s number one supporter since he joined congress a million years ago and has given $17bn in aid/weapons since October 7…
I’m still suspicious of everyone involved, but so far trump is turning out to be the lesser of two evils on this issue.
I’ve been anti democrat for a while. In 2008 I thought Obama was full of shit and just really slick at saying things people wanted to hear - turns out I was right. I voted Ron Paul. In 2012 I was so disgusted by mitt Romneys “takers” comment that I held my nose and voted Obama despite really not liking him (forever wars continued, Wall Street bailed out while Main Street got sold out, increased power of the security state). In 2016 I canvassed and voted for Bernie and then when he got royally fucked by the democrats I stayed home. In 2020, after trumps abysmal performance, I held my nose and voted for biden, to immediate regret. He broke every promise other than “nothing will fundamentally change”, worse, I find his admin to be mostly responsible for the genocide, sharing blame with Israel. But israel probably couldn’t of done what they did without American help.
The worst part about the genocide, besides all the death, is that genocide doesn’t really happen without an advance in technology. One of the best lessons I learned from Hebrew school (I’m Jewish!) was that the Holocaust would of not been possible without the cooperation and advancement of industry, especially IBM. What I see today is terrifying. Israel is using AI to scan social media for targets and then carpet bombing them. But it’s the use of AI to make decisions in who to target that’s truly terrifying. Regardless of who you vote for, what your position is on Israel, etc, this is a major change and like all of our wars eventually the blowback will find its way to the imperial core: us.
