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Liberals, you want to make this genocide about you, and actually it is about you. It is about everyone. Same party that can ignore people's call to stop this murder can do the same when killing you. You gotta internalise that no one is free until until we are all free. Only a fool can believe these disgusting monsters that enable such atrocities can care about you
amazing things are happening on r/Contrapoints (tweet)
God these libfash are exhausting, endless fellating about shit they have zero perosnal stake in beyond the entertainment of bashing anyone who does anything at all.
I would go as far as to see these people are straight up embarassed fascists but that would require some semblance of political self awareness and education
many leftists are disappointed I didn't make a video about Palestine
Don't put the punchline in the opening sentence, geez
Contraporky:
Antisemitism and Anti-zionism are conceptually not the same and conflating them is dangerous but [long spiel about how it's really important to consider the feelings of the genocidal US-backed ethnostate]
Rabbi Elhanan Beck, London-based Orthodox Jewish Leader:
What is the least safe place in the world for Jews? It is Israel. It started with the Nakba against the Palestinians. The state of Israel is a rebellion against God and they will not succeed. They will come to an end. A person who can justify genocide, a person who can commit genocide is more nazi than Jew.
I’m sorry but you couldn’t pay me to read all of that NATO leftist drivel.
we need to bully her
Insert that tweet about not yelling at someone over their take because it's so obviously bad it must be a fetish
you make a great point, she definitely gets off on this shit.
Lets bully the fans instead
As usual leftists have championed a doomed cause
Perhaps Contra will end up being correct. But, do the Palestinians want us to do anything else? The Palestinians I have spoken to have sometimes resigned themselves to the idea that they might have a doomed cause, have they asked me to stop championing that cause? No. Why? Every single one of them wants to TRY.
And that's what matters. That you try.
Andor's Nemik speech is extremely fitting here. It may be true that many causes are doomed to fail, but each and every single act of trying is creating more people that are united in the cause of opposing the empire. Ghorman is a doomed cause from the start, there was no saving it even if they had the entire enemy plan it would be carried out effectively, but what its doom creates is millions if not tens of millions of people in opposition to the empire.
The very same can be said of Palestine. They may be doomed, or they may not be, but speaking of doom is not useful. TRY.
Contra does not want to try because it does not benefit her liberal politics. She is a supporter of the empire, not opposition to it, and she knows that our attempts to try create people that are to the left of her, which is not beneficial to her cause.
the way Israel is perceived does seep out into attitudes towards jews in general
No it does not. This is completely bullshit. The antisemites will have that attitude towards jews regardless of the situation in Palestine, and everyone else will immediately love every jew who says "i am not a zionist". The only jews affected by this situation are zionists, they are not affected because they are jews, they are affected because they are zionists. Every single one of them can disarm any negativity towards themselves immediately by saying they're anti zionist.
And finally I just want to point out that this whole post exists to disguise the fact she's admitting that her position is two-state zionism but without actually saying Palestinians should have a state.
And finally I just want to point out that this whole post exists to disguise the fact she's admitting that her position is two-state zionism but without actually saying Palestinians should have a state.
Her position really does seem to be "I wish my Zionist buddies would just hurry up and finish them off already so I can stop pretending to care about this."
Also, how did you do that page break thing?
Page break is 3 asterisks on a line by themselves ***
Thank you!
It's my favourite formatting tool. Makes things very clean.
"Every Westerner is a nazi" seems to hold true often these days...
"Anti-zionism is just an unrealistic doomed cause! Unlike the two state solution, which is totally viable..."
Why is this all center-aligned? It's so annoying
You are supposed to sing it
To the tune of Love me I’m a liberal
Fence sitting on multiple levels, can't even commit to a side of the screen.
she was right about exactly one thing and it's that she really did not need to post this
i hate the trend of "is it a genocide? yes. will that stop me from supporting zionism? no." absolutely fuck off
why wont anyone think about the zionists :(
This is essentially what she is saying. That's not the point KKKontrapoints; you're not smart for being a contrarian asshole and saying "actually everyone is suffering".
There's something just so vile about this sort of "Optics liberalism" where it's more important to get "people" on "your side" than it is to actually stand for anything. That being inane and inoffensive is more important than actually making a difference. This idea that actually wanting to do something about a problem is just as bad as the problem itself, this insistence on tiny, incremental steps towards "change" instead of actually doing something about a problem. The sheer spinelessness of it all, while acting like she is "brave" for going against leftist opinion about Palestine and being pro"a bit less genocide, as long as we say Hamas is just as bad." something that might've flown 2-3 years ago, but Israel is far too mask off now, even most libs recognise it. No wonder Hillary Clinton is her best friend, they're both just as tone deaf as each other.
Heartache is powerful, but democracy is subtle. Incrementally, you begin to notice a change in the weather. When it snows, the flakes are softer when they stick to your worry-worn forehead. When it rains, the rain is warmer. Democracy is coming to the Administrative Region. The ideals of Dolorian humanism are reinstating themselves. How can they not? These are the ideals of the Coalition and the Moralist International. Those guys are signal blue. And they're not only good -- they're also powerful. What will it be like, once their nuanced plans have been realized?
The Kingdom of Conscience will be exactly as it is now. Moralists don't really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is control. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.
She’s not tone deaf lol. I bet you she gets giddy just thinking about how her deliberately contrarian post just triggered thousands and thousands of angry leftists out there.
That's a good point, she probably carefully crafted this specifically to piss off as many people as possible so she could play the victim, just like her Zionist buddies. She'll carefully comb the responses to this for anyone saying anything openly anti-semitic or transphobic and use that as proof that she is right and justify her Zionism further.
For some reason I didn't make the connection before, but if we pretend that she's trying to be progressive, her argument is tailism. She's not trying to get people on her side, she's deciding her side based on where she thinks more people already are without any interest in agitating for people to develop better positions, to benefit a good cause rather than just a popular one (and anti-zionism is characterized as unpopular at first before calling it popular to accuse it of giving Nazis cover). It's a perfect microcosm of her politics, where she thinks "having power" means conforming to the group that has power so they support you, as though you can thereby accomplish anything but what that group was already doing.
