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So far, Americans using RedNote have said they don't care if China has access to their data. Viral videos on TikTok in recent days have shown Americans jokingly saying they will miss their personal "Chinese spy," while others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.

"This also highlights the fact that people are thirsty for platforms that aren't controlled by the same few oligarchs," Quintin said. "People will happily jump to another platform even if it presents new, unknown risks."

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

I'm going to be honest, I do feel a little baffled but maybe that's because I didn't vibe with tik tok.

I think the pros are probably responsiveness and uptime (compared to fediverse things). Even now, hexbear goes down for one reason or another, to say nothing of back when we were the biggest lemmy instance (sorry Des, god that was a while ago), and setting up a new server is something that the vast majority of people don't want to do (especially compared to just signing up for an account). I think this is especially the case if you mostly consume video. While peertube (and others?) does exist, video is still pretty big per second of content, meaning that sort of continuous scroll video is a big ask for a small private server.

Compared to Facebook or Twitter or whatever, its unlikely that a Chinese spy is going to rat your weed ring out to American feds, unlike Facebook or Twitter (which routinely co-operate with American cops, no warrant).

Lastly, network effect, which is the big one. If the big creators you follow (idk what tiktok is like) go somewhere, you're going to follow them (well, not you, fellow lemmy person, but you know who I'm talking about). And your preference is that all your big creators go to the same place rather than to a dozen fediverse instances. Not that it would be insurmountable, but it would be a bigger ask.

Specific oligarchs may still be an effect (Zuck or Musk are not necessarily the most popular people).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

while others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.

Ah yes, the ole Gavin McInnes method of showing the government who’s boss. Got it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

Lol. I'm not actually surprised at all that the country that just elected Junior Hitler again is literally begging to be fucked by the CCP. You REALLY cannot fix stupid and stupid is now the vast majority.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

the children yearn for the vines

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

"This also highlights the fact that people are thirsty for platforms that aren't controlled by the same few oligarchs," Quintin said. "People will happily jump to another platform even if it presents new, unknown risks."

Once again...meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

I mean, I'd rather the foreign tyrant get my data than the one that can actually use it. Not that I'm even on anything but Lemmy and youtube anyway.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

"people are thirsty for platforms that aren't controlled by the same few oligarchs" so they're willingly submitting to and supporting CCP tyrannical oppression because they personally have never felt it's raw evil, "Fuck the Chinese" I guess, huh

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I mean look at it from their perspective: either there is a war with China, in which case you're fucked so many more ways than whatever data tiktok has collected. Or you're one of a billion with compromised data. What are the Chinese going to do? Pick you in your service industry job to blackmail for no reason? Even if they were doing that the chances of it being a you are one in a million. Advertise more directly to you? The fact is no one cares.

The desire for privacy is either necessary to a very small percentage of the population or just an icky feeling with no discernable consequences. (Even if you list me irl consequences for the Chinese taking your data, I can guarantee you it doesn't end up affecting the majority of people's lives in a noticeable way.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe you're in a service industry job but maybe your cousin works for the DoD. Yeah to the majority of people it will never matter. But same can be said for researching some rare disease. Insuring against car accidents. It's probably not going to be me, so who cares?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Yeah. That's my point.

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