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AT&T pulls 5G home Internet from New York to protest state affordability law.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm gonna put it this way: In an apartment complex I used to live in, AT&T service was terrible while Sprint (still a thing at the time) and Tmobile had okay service, and Verizon had great service.

One of my neighbors there was literally worked for AT&T as a telcom engineer or something, and was as such eligible to get free cell service from AT&T.

He paid the hundred bucks or whatever at the time for Verizon, instead of the literally free service he could get from his employer, because it was so terrible. Good riddance.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is a good example of the "If you regulate/tax business, they'll just leave and you'll be sorry!" Ayn Rand fallacy.

All this means is that their business model was to gouge consumers, and being barred from gouging cheap internet for their poorest customers revealed that they were (and still are everywhere else) bad faith, dishonest, antisocial actors that have no interest in providing products and services for a reasonable margin.

Just as with any business that would exit a market, or billionaire that would leave the country to prevent taxation back into the commons that facilitated their wealth accumulation to begin with (a preliterate workforce, roads and utilities they disproportionately degrade with heavy use, etc) you demonstrate that you work against your own customers and your own people, so by all means, gtfo.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The US Government needs to stop dicking around with this neoliberal bullshit and just offer mobile and home Internet AS A UTILITY.

Use the existing USPS infrastructure and cut out all the bullshit ISPs and parasitical orgs that have been bloating themselves on taxpayers for decades, with zero improvements to users.

Bring back basic banking at USPS too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Well I doubt that is going happen anytime soon. https://www.npr.org/2024/04/26/1247393656/net-neutrality-explained-fcc

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/federal-net-neutrality-reinstatement-3966433/

FCC lacks authority to make that happen.

"The recent ruling by the 6thCircuit Court of Appeals is one of the first major challenges to a federal agency action after the Chevron Doctrine—which gave deference to federal agency decision-making and findings—was overturned in the landmark Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo decision by the Supreme Court in June 2024."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

By USPS you mean post office? If so, I'm gonna need you to explain the "USPS infrastructure can be reworked to offer internet service" part. Not arguing, genuinely curious.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

That's not what they said, but now that you mention it, both concern the regular transfer of information. USPS should be a utility broadband provider.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You used to be able to do some banking at your local post office. You still can at some offices but it has largely been done away with. I believe they were referring to this and not USPS as an ISP.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I actually meant both. To use USPS for basic banking, AND have them offer internet from the same locations.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago

I can't imagine just how bad USPS would be at providing Internet services. They can hardly get packages delivered let alone offer accurate real time tracking. Even if I have to send a letter, I send it with UPS or FedEx. At least they will get it delivered.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I see that now. My brain read your first USPS as ISP I guess. In which case... yes please do explain what infrastructure they have that could be used to deliver internet to the masses.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They have physical locations and extant real estate across the entire US.

So, rather than continuing to give billions to private ISPs that do literally nothing with that money, and who double-down to curtail services whenever mildly inconvenient, my suggestion is that we (ie US Government) does not provide a single additional dollar in funding or subsidies, and instead invests that money in building itself a USG internet UTILITY. If necessary, clawback the billions that have gone to Comcast, ATT, Verizon et al, or just seize their networks and charge their executives with RICO and fraud. They essentially operate as a cartel anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Love the idea of expanding the usps. Also think they could be a more sustainable Amazon with reusable packaging, quality staple goods, and fairly-paid & well-treated employees!

If only…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

But how? What infrastructure? Do they have their own fiber network or something?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

popcorn

Don't mind me, just reading comments on my €10, 1gbps mobile connection in the train home from work.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m enjoying this from my £28 a month 100Gb 5G contract that includes the cost of my iPhone.

(and which is about to drop to £10 a month because I’ve paid off the phone)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Nice! I ain't going to be seen with a normie-phone tho

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"AT&T's shitty business model can't provide quality service in NY, so they gave up."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

They decided to try fuck over the state govt and make them pay more with your tax dollars. Having failed, they are throwing a hissy fit and leaving, hopefully pissing off a bunch of people in the process.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

I'm sure there will be a federal giveaway of money for internet providers to expand their networks to rural users to solve this problem....and they totally won't just keep the money, give ti to executives as bonuses, and refuse to do the work or anyhting.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago

… business customers can keep any device they purchased at no charge," AT&T said.

Gee how magnanimous (emphasis mine)

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