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Valve dev says SteamOS isn't about killing Windows: 'If a user has a good experience on Windows, there's no problem' (www.pcgamer.com)

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (1 children)

good experience on Windows

Windows 7 was the last time I had that experience lol

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (14 children)

98 Good

ME Bad

XP Good

Vista Bad

7 Good

8 Bad

10 Good

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Let me know when 12 is out I guess...

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (13 children)

Honestly almost everything works on my steam deck. The only things that don't work are online only games with anti-cheat, and I barely ever touch those. I could possibly make the leap on my main pc to be fully steamos

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago

Windows feels like a bit of a sinking ship. Not entirely, and it's slow, but the feeling is present and consistent. I don't want to keep having to rip apart the OS to remove shit they shoved onto my hardware without my consent. I just want an easyish experience that I can do my shit on, and they aren't really interested in that it feels.

In comparison to that, alternatives like steam os sounds great to your average user.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

the only one that can kill windows is microsoft

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago

Killing windows would just be a little happy accident

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago

The way that's worded implies that the only way it can hurt Windows is if Windows sucks. Subtle and true. Do better Microsoft. Or don't. We don't care, we're just doing our own thing.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

The killing is more a side effect than the actual goal. Got it.

[+] [email protected] -13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's not about killing Windows.

It's about slowing making G*mers comfortable with the idea of Valve's own closed off ecosystem.

They have already made G*mers comfortable with not owning their games, loot boxes, micro transactions.

This is just another example of Valve being the money grubbing, monopolistic, anti-consumer company that they've somehow got away with for years now.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm not sure that Valve working to making Linux gaming a smoother experience is a strong example of them being money grubbing and anti-consumer.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I won't say I told you so when in four years Valve starts offering exclusives to those using SteamOS.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Unless some major structural changes happen at Valve (Gabe leaves and/or the company goes public), I sincerely doubt they would ever do this.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Gabe. The same Gabe that has profited off micro transactions, lootboxes, and selling unfinished games. That Gabe?

You already have to use workarounds to get non-steam games to work on SteamOS.

Let's not forget that this started back ten years ago now with the failed Steam Machine concept.

Gabe needs to pay that fleet of Valkyries he has bought somehow.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yep that same Gabe.

I get it, he's a billionaire and he's got yachts. Billionaires should not exist, I agree. That's a different discussion.

I'm not worshiping the dude, I'm just saying that it is unlikely that he would allow something like that. It is antithetical to Valve's ethos up to this point.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Of course, but that isn't what they're saying in response to the topic of the post: the question of what the point in making steamOS available for PC's is. Is it the main reason? I'm not sure it is, but you can be sure that if it isn't contributing to Valve's bottom line in some way, it wouldn't be happening.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I assume the primary reason for Valve supporting Linux is to protect themselves against possible hostility from Microsoft. So yeah, it's a business decision to protect Valve's profits; but frankly - it's also beneficial to everyone who isn't Microsoft.

Overall, I'm not a great fan of Steam. (And generally it's me talking down Steam; recommending itch.io and GOG; and sometimes even defending Epic against what I think are unfair attacks.) But here I'm just saying that I don't really see the negative of Valve creating Steam OS. Although I don't intend to use Steam OS, I think I'm already benefiting from the support Valve has given Linux to create Steam OS.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well yeah... Windows users can still use Steam. They sell games. They don't want people to switch anything; they wanna sell more games.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And they want to hedge against Windows trying to monopolise the gaming market. You know, the kind of thing government oversight used to prevent in days gone by.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

tbh i have more faith in Gabe and val e than the DoJ

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Honestly it's not that Gabe or Valve is a FOSS champion, it's just that FOSS is the only viable alternative to a potential Windows walled garden, so it's what they used.

If SteamOS plays a significant role in killing Windows, the credit will still belong to the FOSS movement. They are the ones that laid the ground for SteamOS to stand on, and they are the ones who ensured it couldn't be fenced in once more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

good point!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Microsoft wants all future apps to go through their store. Basically like Apple does in Mac [ appears you can ]. I do believe this is the future for Windows apps. Once that happens, Valve running on Windows will be second fiddle. Valve's only choice is to migrate to another OS or end up like Mozilla.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They'll never be able to force that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It would instantly break compatibility with >99% of windows software.

They are trying with Windows S but i don't think it has much of a market.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Mac user here. I never use the App Store.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I recently thought I had to use it, dug up a 15 year old account, because some hardware utility for a mobile Brother printer was only available from the store. After installing the tool it turns out it didn't even have the function I needed (firmware update of the printer).

That was annoying. And merely having the account signed in also prevented our IT support department from copying my user folder over to the new laptop properly, so we had to do it twice.

Now I'm happily back to not having apple id signed in. (Well... as happy as I can be while still having to use macOS)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In other words, git gud scrub

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

git: 'gud' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Sounds like a skill issue

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Kill windows we must.

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