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Hello everyone,

Thinking about this as the on-boarding experience on Lemmy can be subpar, especially because new joiners have to

In order to avoid this, what would you think of having a "new joiners" instance, where

  • hexbear, lemmygrad and ml would be defederated
  • politics and news communities would be blocked at the instance level

That could help to onboard people, so that the first time they look around, they see more gardening, cute comics and casual conversation rather than another set of depressing memes.

Disclaimer: politics and societal issues are important and should be discussed extensively (they are quite popular on Lemmy, let's be honest). I'm not advocating to hide them all, just to not show them as the first content people potentially interested in Lemmy would see.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think there are two issues:

  1. It sure would be nice if there were some "choose my experience" features at a broader scale than individually taking responsibility for blocking all the noisy instances and noisy people, for whatever your personal definition of noise is. A checkbox like "hide political content" or "downplay political content", and then similar checkboxes for meme content, content for a particular geographical region, popular media and entertainment, and so on, would be an absolutely wonderful thing. I think PieFed has something somewhat similar to this but it's at about 10% of where it could be. I think Lemmy inherited Reddit's "you can either have the default or else invest a huge amount of time into customizing" model, but it doesn't need to. We should have a lot more rich ways of deciding what the algorithm and experience is going to be than just a massive array of individual "yes" or "no" buttons.
  2. Some of why your suggestion would be nice is cultural, not technical. People seem like they like to have their "home" instance where they can kind of make friends and read content from like-minded people, irrespective of how whatever algorithm is tuned. Personally I love political content and news, but I could see an instance that just turns it all off for people who aren't into it being a rare island of wholesome interactions on Lemmy, simply because of the types of people who would choose to go there. We can go back to watching the world falling down around us some other time.
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I would argue something like starter packs would be a better fit for this particular feature.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Maybe a starter pack that includes a starter blocklist? 🤔

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

That's kinda what Bluesky has with their "moderation lists" or whatever it's called. They have an entire dedicated MAGA one that blocks all MAGA accounts that join Bluesky automatically for whoever is subscribed to it

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The issue is that starter packs would require development. This proposal can be implemented using the existing tools.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Not really, you would just need a community that's focused on posting starter packs, and for people advertising Lemmy to others to direct people to that starter pack community when checking out Lemmy. There are things that could be developed to help make starter packs more useful, but it could start off as simply as just people making posts with lists of communities that people interested in crocheting or whatever should go check out.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I would counter and suggest that Lemmy implements a "default block" system that admins can set on their instance, i.e. the 3 you've mentioned, plus any others they want. When the account is created, the default blocks are applied (either instance or communities or ideally flexibility to add both).

Users can then choose to unblock these if they want to engage with that content without moving instance.

While portability is kind of a feature of the lemmyverse, your posts don't come with you so likely people wouldn't want to move off the "default" instance, which would create another problem with centralized instances.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I would counter and suggest that Lemmy implements a “default block” system that admins can set on their instance, i.e. the 3 you’ve mentioned, plus any others they want. When the account is created, the default blocks are applied (either instance or communities or ideally flexibility to add both).

The issue is that requires development on Lemmy. The proposal in the OP can be done with the existing tools. Otherwise, I agree with you, what would be more elegant.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I think themed social sites are the way to go for the fediverse, almost to the point where the theme doesn't matter. Any theme. Any raison d'etre beyond "to be a general interest clone of what already exists". So yeah, I think this is a good idea.

I think the suggestion also highlights some moderation/administration features that were missing when I first tinkered with self-hosting Lemmy a year ago. Are there tools to allow users to access these types of communities while keeping them hidden from the 'All' feed? There wasn't last year. It would be ideal to designate sites and communities that are A) totally blocked/banned, B) accessible/subscribable but only via direct url search, C) searchable, but not available in All (or even local, for hidden local communities), D) accessible via All. Or even having different discovery vectors selectable via binary selection. The fine grained filtering to do such a thing would be a real boon in general, especially for sites that want to remain thematically focused, while not handcuffing users who want to be able to view stuff that's off-topic.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Are there tools to allow users to access these types of communities while keeping them hidden from the ‘All’ feed?

Not that I know of, and that's the core of the issue.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, so no change from last year. That was a core reason I abandoned my exploration of Lemmy for use hosting my softball team discussion group. I couldn't prevent it from becoming polluted with my other community subscriptions.

It's a totally overlooked usecase, that I increasingly believe should be a core use case for the software.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The question probably goes down to: should a member of your softball team discussion group be able to use that account to subscribe to [email protected] ?

Anyway, in your case, people would have

  • local feed about the team
  • All feed for all (minus the one you would defederate)
  • Subscribed for their preferred communities

If you set the default feed to Local, that could work?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Would you guys quit shittin all over blaze? Not everything is politcal. The issue is people making everything political. How the fuck are cat memes and let's say makeup, political? They're not.

Some ppl just won't shut the fuck up about politics and it's super annoying. I think it's a great idea blaze has.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Me liking printed books more than ebooks is already a political matter, so... that would be difficult to offer political-free content.

I think I already mentioned it, but my idea would be to have nothing for newcomers (so they don't get to see even a single political, or low effort post) beside a few tags/keywords/categories they could click in order to start having content displayed in their feed that they actually want to see, no matter how good or how bad it would be ;)

edit: typos

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

By default new users could be sent to their Subscribed feed and see nothing, but then how do they know how to find content?

The keywords/categories is a nice idea (similar to what https://piefed.social/ does with its "topics"), but would require modifications to the Lemmyy codebase. The approach I suggested is doable with the tools we have now (defederation, community-blocking at instance level)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

By default new users could be sent to their Subscribed feed and see nothing, but then how do they know how to find content?

the tags/categories I mentioned would do that. Nen users are supposed to know what they're interested in or what they're curious about so they would select those.

The approach I suggested is doable with the tools we have now (defederation, community-blocking at instance level)

I have little to no understanding of the technical considerations but I would think that if a technique involves defederation/blocking it also means it won't be bulletproof because, well, shit content does not always come from the same source(s).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

it won’t be bulletproof because, well, shit content does not always come from the same source(s).

Indeed, but it would already be an improvement to what we have now, and we can try it today, without having to wait for someone to modify the Lemmy code to add tags/categories for new joiners

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Oh, 100% agree here, just wanted to make sure I understand your suggestion well ;)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

If you removed political content from Lemmy there would be nothing left. All the other communities are dead.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Sad but true

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

They are not, as mentioned in the OP: https://feddit.org/post/6554534

20 active communities which are not politics, news, memes or tech

They are indeed drown in the political content, but that's what this suggestion is trying to solve

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