I'll give them credit that building their OS on a Unix base has undoubtedly been good for us too since it kinda twists the big company's arms a bit over the issue.
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I used to be an apple certified repair technician. Fuck apple and everything they do.
Their hardware is purposely designed to be as unrepairable and difficult to get into as possible. They literally spent millions developing their own new screw types for the inside of their phones. Diabolical evil shit.
Their software is also ass, but I haven't ever daily used any apple products in my life so I am less annoyed by that. I only had to know how to fix em for years. Every time I have to trouble shoot a user issue on Mac it takes me like twice as long to fix because again they design it to be hard to fix things.
Stupid company. Shitty products. Microsoft and windows are right behind them though. Good lord has windows just continued to get worse and worse over the course of my life.
When my 2018 MBP touch bar glitched and a replacement was the whole-ass “upper case” including the battery, I knew we were cooked. Meanwhile, in my old 2012 MacBook pro I’m swapping parts like a madman to enjoy it, like you should.
You can replace just the touch bar, I’ve done it, but it’s a nightmare. Much cheaper and less waste though
That thing is seriously glued on. Like people complain about the battery adhesive but it’s not really that bad, some solvent takes it out pretty quick on most models (though it’s still not necessary and would be much better if it was just screwed into place). That touch bar though, that glue is crazy and any solvent or heat you use has to be super carefully managed because you’ll melt the keys very easily. Some tutorials have you basically just smash the shit out of it and scrape away the resulting shards but that seemed like a bad idea.
For the record I did heat from the rear and light application of acetone. Took a bit but I was able to pry it up although I did break the first couple. Doesn’t matter really but it can make it harder to prep the space for the new one.
Also fun times: on some models if the touch bar glitches out it shorts the motherboard and causes random reboots
Yeah ~2014-2015 I think is when they started really soldering everything together and adding adhesive or their new special screws to everything.
Edit: fat fingered wrong year
>See macOS criticism
>Look inside
>Absolutely no mention of macOS because it's actually Apple hardware criticism
Well since we're here:
You can't easily remap keys
You can scroll right but not left with the track pad
The delete key doesn't do anything in the finder
There was no window snapping until literally a few months ago
The terminal uses cmd+c instead of cmd+shift+c (really should be ctrl but okay)
The dock sucks when using multiple windows per app
Every app relies on an antiquated menu bar at the top which is straight out of 90s UI
The Fn key is where the ctrl key should be and the alt key is where the command key should be (hardware, can't rebind without addon tho)
You can't control audio levels on external displays (because Apple)
Software does not support multiple displays per port and instead can only have one display per port, meaning in order to have two displays you need one cable for hdmi and one cable for USB-C, can't have two of each.
The mouse acceleration curve is a troll for anyone not using the trackpad, and cannot be adjusted aside from being turned off.
There's a ton more but these were just off the top of my head.
EDIT:
Because multiple people mentioned this, I have a big issue with the command/meta key shortcuts because of Apple's braindead placement of their keys on the keyboard, so its a combined hardware software issue.
I otherwise wouldn't mind having to use command except my pinky has to wrap around to hit alt or I have to shift my entire hand to hit command because using a standard keyboard layout like literally every single other keyboard in existence is too much to implement.
spoiler
I'm saying this coming from gaming on ye olde ass cheapo office keyboards for years with no problems, clunky Chinese knockoff keyboards with no problems, and even tiny compressed button keyboards with no problems.
And as others have also shared, I am forced to put up with this crap because of my work. Thankfully, most of my actual work happens inside a nice customized Linux VM, but switching between the host is still required and has been a painful experience. I genuinely gave it a solid shot for several months hoping maybe this was just me never using Mac UI before, but even with all the addons this UI is annoying to use.
I can't run a key rebinder though because the software is essentially a keylogger addon, so coaxing it to run even with IT is a pain, so now I'm probably going to buy another Corsair keyboard I can setup a hardware profile to make this a bit easier when I'm at least docked.
The dock sucks when using multiple windows per app
This made me rage quit using a mac at work
CMD ` (backtick) will switch between application windows, if that's what was frustrating you.
Not defending Crapple, but in the name of fairness, some of these aren't really accurate unless you're ignoring the spirit of the complaint and being pedantic.
You can scroll right but not left with the track pad
You can scroll up, down, left, and right if you use two fingers to scroll.
The delete key doesn't do anything in the finder
You can use command + backspace
to delete selected files.
The terminal uses cmd+c instead of cmd+shift+c (really should be ctrl but okay)
The rest of the OS uses command + c
for copying. This is consistent.
Every app relies on an antiquated menu bar at the top which is straight out of 90s UI
This is a personal opinion. It's a valid complaint, but it's not a universal problem.
MAJOR EDIT: Forgive me, I am tired. I also don't regularly use different keyboard layouts on different OSes. I need to clarify terminal shortcuts.
Control-C is how you terminate a process on terminal in macOS. I need to denote this as ^C, as such a key does not exist on traditional layouts. Cmd-C is copy. It is always copy, even on terminal (on Linux, you also have to hold shift).
If you use a Windows keyboard on macOS, your shortcut is now copy. After all, you are pressing Ctrl-C, so why wouldn't it be copy? Termination is now probably done with Alt-C.
If you're using Mac layout, none of this seems weird. I use a Mac layout on a Mac--all makes sense. If you don't, then stuff gets wack. Not a macOS issue. More of a "we've been using this layout for fifty years and changing it would be stupid at this point" sort of thing.
- You can with extra software. See first paragraph of my original reply. Valid.
- ..What?
- The delete key does do something in Finder. When pressed with the Command key, it deletes the file with no prompt. I'd rather that not be a single key press. This is a preference, not an issue.
- Mentioned already.
- I'm sorry, this is literally user error. That's like saying Windows is stupid because it can't anticipate my "quit app" shortcut being Command + Q instead of Alt + F4. Or, for a closer comparison, like setting Ctrl + C to Meta + C instead. They're different operating systems, adapted for different keyboard layouts, and I shouldn't have to elaborate on why this is stupid.
- Apps with multiple windows just kinda suck in general. I fullscreen everything, navigating between apps with gestures. Not quite multi-monitor, but fullscreen always behaves as expected and all gestures work, and the dock remains accessible--which I can't say for any other desktop UI in existence.
- Preference that I personally like. Rude.
- Hardware.
- Absolutely true. They've insisted on a "one size fits all" volume bar for everything. It sucks. I laugh every time someone on an iPhone has volume trouble for this exact reason. Instead, you have to adjust media while it's actively playing in the foreground. How very intuitive.
- Hardware. Granted, stupid, but still hardware. I'm pretty sure this is Apple Silicon only.
- Just turn it off. I've never seen a benefit to having accelleration.
Not perfect, but none of this reads as annoying as a full screen advertisment telling me to upgrade to an OS that I know has incredibly invasive spyware.
EDIT: The "delete" key on macOS keyboards is backspace. The key should be treated as such. The delete key on other keyboards is in a separate location with a separate purpose, and should not be seen the same on Macs just because it shares a name. I've never used a full size keyboard on macOS, so I don't know how the forward-delete key works. If that doesn't delete files in one go, that might be annoying.. but not the other way around.
There's no way of globally enabling hidden files and folders, there's a terminal command that does it for vanilla finder windows, but none for the finder file picker windows that apps use.
Unclear if it's hardware or MacOS, but despite having the graphical horsepower to push enough pixels, Macs are limited to two external monitors unless you buy the multi thousand dollar Max processor.
It doesn't support high quality Bluetooth audio codecs like AptX.
It doesn't natively support Google cast or Miracast.
It doesn't support sub pixel text rendering so text looks like trash on 1080p LCD monitors.
Not defending Crapple, but adding context:
There's no way of globally enabling hidden files and folders, there's a terminal command that does it for vanilla finder windows, but none for the finder file picker windows that apps use.
You can use command + shift + full stop
to toggle hidden files and folders, if I recall correctly.
Unclear if it's hardware or MacOS, but despite having the graphical horsepower to push enough pixels, Macs are limited to two external monitors unless you buy the multi thousand dollar Max processor.
It's the hardware. Each display needs to have a dedicated controller chip and video signal encoder, and Apple decided to be assholes and only add two of them.
You can use command + shift + full stop to toggle hidden files and folders, if I recall correctly.
Yeah, but thats a fundamental problem from a UX standpoint. If you're a software developer who needs to work with those files and folders, you can easily run into issues where you don't even realize that there are files there that are causing problems (or that you changing or deleting might cause problems with).
It's a persistent toggle. You could just leave it on permanently, which is what I did when I had to use a Mac for work. If they ever made it reset on reboot or on a timer, I would be pretty fucking annoyed, however.
MacOS Software is decent because it resembles Linux and other Unix like systems haha
The cli, kind of. But everything is 10 years outdated by default, the filesystem is not case sensitive, there are no containers, and, to rub salt into the wound, if you are on ARM MacOS only let's you run two mac VMs per physical machine, even though the hardware supports way more.
It's basically the IT equivalent to buying a professional tool from Wish or Temu.
Actively turning the PC into a walled garden
First point, could have worded it better, but that's definitely all software
Plus, Apple controls the entire stack so criticism of MacOS is criticism of their hardware and vice versa
That’s iOS criticism. On MacOS, I compile software from GitHub and run it no problem.
It's not a criticism of macOS because it broadly describes all Apple hardware. Swap in "iPhone", and nothing changes. A valid point to criticise macOS is in its constant deprecation of software (such as OpenGL), or how additional software is required to match some Windows features (less true now).
This ignores that macOS is, otherwise, the best non-libre OS. Changing the default browser changes the default browser. Spotlight search is fast and versatile, making Windows' modern start menu look like a joke. Trackpad support is unmatched. Logic Pro and Final Cut remain industry leaders. Most importantly, it's usually pretty damn fast, and free of ads.
Outside of gaming, there is not a single reason to use Windows over macOS--maybe if you enjoy suffering. With Linux distros officially being a better gaming medium than Windows, at least macOS still has a use case. It's the perfect OS for people adapted to Apple's style of workflow, which I've found to be a good one. Else, you can use NixOS, or Arch, or Gentoo.. but never Windows.
Outside of gaming, there is not a single reason to use Windows over macOS--maybe if you enjoy suffering
Let me name a couple of shitty ones:
- Your work's IT only supports Windows.
- You work with industrial control systems or lab equipment that only supports Windows.
- Hardware vendors are assholes that use proprietary protocols instead of USB device classes and don't release drivers for anything other than Windows.
- You need to use CUDA.
- You need to use a dedicated graphics card for some reason or another.
- You're hosting a server, but not competent enough to use Linux.
None of those are reasons to voluntarily choose Windows, but sadly, they're still real reasons.
Swap in "iPhone", and nothing changes.
The iPhone was an improvement to what was before, trying to make MacOS into a walled garden is going backwards
Nobody is calling support for Windows, fuck windows to, but nothing you said negates the sheer cost of being in a app walled garden on a PC, the obliteration of upgradeability and near 0 repairability
If your SSD dies or you start needing more RAM for your workflow Apples position is, essentially, "Get a new laptop, fuck the environment!"
So criticise Apple for being anti-repair and anti-competitive. Ah, but Apple being anti-repair is parroted just as much as Windows being garbage.
Welp, gotta be angry at something, today. Fuck [POPULAR COMPANY PRODUCT], and let's go on with our day.
negates the sheer cost of being in a app walled garden on a PC
You don't seem to want to address the walled garden problem, which flies directly in the face of user choice and freedom as much as the problems with the hardware does.
I don't recognise the walled garden problem, because I'm on macOS, where software walled gardens do not exist. In other words, scarecrow. I've installed whatever the hell I wanted on there. It's also confusing to single out macOS (which has better third-party repos than Windows by absolute leagues), when iOS is right there.
don't recognise the walled garden problem, because I'm on macOS, where software walled gardens do not exist
Really, so you haven't noticed that root hasn't really been root lately? Or that it's been getting harder to install software from outside the MacOS app store with each update? They're not stupid, they're not going to do it all at once, they're doing it bit by bit.
Mark my words, there will be a day in the short term when you go to install something outside the MacOS app store and you'll get a "Can't do that without a paid Apple dev account" error, at best
It's also confusing to single out macOS (which has better third-party repos than Windows by absolute leagues), when iOS is right there.
Once again, iOS being a walled garden is an improvement to what was before and I'm not advocating for Windows in any sense of the word
I'm not looking to argue, but this is my take:
They're going to keep making it more and more difficult for the average consumer to step outside of the Apple-intended vision (as they have with Gatekeeper, SIP, and removing kernel extension support), but I really don't think they would be stupid enough to fully close the ecosystem.
A lot of their MacBook Pro and Mac Pro sales comes from corporate hardware refreshes. If a company can't get their proprietary software working because of arbitrary restrictions, they're going to buy a Windows device next time.
If a company can't get their proprietary software working because of arbitrary restrictions, they're going to buy a Windows device next time.
They already have something in place for that, it's called the Apple Developer Enterprise Program
They've got a plan to build the wall around MacOS and they're executing it, it's not going to be an overnight thing, but it's coming
It’s bullshit because I’ve never once installed anything other than Xcode from the App Store. Nothing else. It’s not a walled garden in any way, shape, or form.
It’s a full, true UNIX desktop OS.
Don't forget to buy your mom an iPhone.
I hated apple way before I hated windows. But basically just fuck corporations entirely. All of them.
I thought Apple was cool back in the system 6/7 days. I don't know if it actually was. I was a kid back then and just got to use it a little in school. I didn't daily drive it. But I did like it based off the usage I got.
When they switched to a BSD* derivative, it became less the the thing I remembered liking and my interest waned. Then they switched to x86 and it became something I felt was completely disassociated with what I considered to be a Mac. And while I could see those were smart choices on their part, I no longer cared for what they were offering.
And now I hate the company for the sorts of things the meme touches on. Not that consumer hostile practices are anything new for them, just more opinionated about it now.
That was rantier than I'd anticipated when I started, but already made it this far.
- no hate intended on BSD. I run OpenBSD and FreeBSD on some things. More that it failed to match my nostalgia, I guess.
I don't even know what system it was at the time, but the first time I figured out things weren't just on "computer" and were on a particular operating system and that Mac didn't do games at all, I hated them immediately. They were completely useless for my use case.
I remember when iPods got popular that I specifically didn't want one, I wanted a different mp3 player. I got one of the first Dell ones. I forget the name of it now. It was either a "jukebox" or maybe that was the software's name. It has the scroll barrel on it. Had I think 15 or 20GB on it. I was so much happier with it than I would've been with an iPod. For one I didn't need to cover my entire library to aac. And iTunes was just a nightmare on Windows in general from what I heard. There was no software needed for the Dell one. You just moved your music on like a removable hard drive. Playlists were actual separate files that were somehow associated to the songs. I never did (and still don't) really care about playlists.
I'm too millennial for that. I just play the album I wanna hear. Or nowadays if I'm too lazy or in a hurry I have an automatic playlist that knows what kinda stuff I like to listen to and just plays from that set.
Now do Windows 11.
Windows/Mac fanboy wars went out of style 20 years ago.
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Buy the latest Win 11 laptop.
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Upgrade ram and SSD with whatever from Microcenter because any of it works as long as you match DDR type. It won't necessarily be the fastest but it will work.
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Install Linux because it's already supported by Linux.
This is possible because 1980's Microsoft thought an open hardware platform would sell more Microsoft software because customers wouldn't feel locked in.
Your answer is basically “MS isn’t so bad, just don’t use MS”
I was following the meme which listed MacOS on the front and then hardware on the back.
DAE PlayStation > Xbox!?
Are there windows "fan boys?"
There's that one weirdo, the mod of linuxsucks lmao
It's just incredibly tired, why are some of us so committed
Fuck Windows AND MacOS honestly
There's already plenty of fuck Windows memes and posts