Wow finally! Congrats Discord dev team, this is good
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What about video acceleration though? Cause last time i tried it as soon as I moved the camera the screen share's framerate would drop like crazy making it essentially useless. On AMD anyway
I'll prob check later today cause im interested
Lemme guess, no Wayland support. (Edit: I was being sarcastic)
did you even read the post??
edit: like seriously i get not reading a long article but the post body is 35 words long
I was being facetious, ie "expect the worst"
this is about proper wayland support
I just wish there was a FOSS version of Discord. I haven't looked too deeply into existing alternatives, but I have a feeling they all miss features Discord has and are just not as good.
[matrix] looks promising, but it isn't quite ready yet
matrix doesn't stand a chance, none of the discord features are there, and the protocol MRs are years old and dead or bike shedded to hell. wish it wasn't so
It is way too expensive/wasteful to run as both a client & a server by its architecture.
I think SimpleX is similar
Depending on what you aim to do, Matrix works well enough. Reminds me a lot of Discord back in 2017 or so.
Well, "nice" to have that feature, but you still shouldn't use Discord, or at least limit your time on it as much as possible. Remember, when you use it, you're part of the network effect that makes Discord big. You have to resist that. Take a look how Discord compares to pretty much any other messenger or communication tool in existence: https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html Avoid it whenever possible, get your friends to leave it and weaken its network effect.
So, some of the drawbacks (there's probably more):
- Discord has weak security (see URL above)
- Discord has non-existent privacy
- Discord has an incredibly vague privacy policy which means they do what they want. Even companies with strong privacy policies screw users over routinely. Guess what companies do who don't even care about good privacy policies. They even weakened it further a while back because they need to train their new AI features on your data as well, and probably even their weak privacy policies were in the way before. Well, good thing that the users agreed that they can change it at any time for any reason and be fine with it.
- You grant all rights of everything you write, say, share or do on Discord to Discord, and everything you type, say, upload or share is being processed by their servers
- Discord tracks what you're typing before sending it
- Discord suspended accounts and required even more user data for "verification", such as telephone numbers which is completely unnecessary except for tracking and data selling purposes
- Discord shares chat logs with law enforcement (and they can share everything because they're collecting everything)
- The Discord client app tracks what programs you have running so it can for example display what games you're currently running. That means it contains a process logger. It has to scan every running application and then finds games out of those, and then you have to hope that only the game-specific bits are uploaded to their servers. Maybe that is the case, but can you trust them, and also to never change that? No.
If you have to use it:
- Never use their desktop app, always use the web version from a secondary browser (web apps running in the browser have much less rights than locally running applications), and even then limit what the site can access to the least amount of stuff necessary. If you never use your mic or camera then block it in the browser settings. Don't trust Discord's own mute setting (this also applies to other proprietary software).
- Use a fake e-mail alias / telephone number when creating your account, generally give them the least amount of data possible. Opt out of any options or features which are tied to you exposing more data to them
- Don't give them additional money e.g. for their premium stuff (you already pay with data they gather from you)
- Block at least these API endpoints which are purely used for tracking purposes (there may be more though, and they might change) [easy to do with uBlock Origin for example]:
https://discord.com/api/v*/science
https://discord.com/api/v*/channels/*/typing
https://discord.com/api/v*/track*
- You can also block these related hosts safely without impairing Discord's main functions (again there may be more):
crash.discordapp.com
status.discordapp.com
b.stats.paypal.com
app.adjust.com
client-analytics.braintreegateway.com
Still ass, use matrix/element
Element is a messenger and will never have the UX of Discord. There is Revolt, which is actually similar to discord but self-hostable
Has screen sharing a video calls and group calls and working on addons/extensions, not sure what more people would expect from a project of its size
from a project of its size
Ok but you know that people don't care about this part at all when they're looking for alternatives to actually use, right?
Yes, sadly people are dumb enough to value convenience over things that really matter
To some, convenience matters more than intangible benefits. This is not necessarily dumb.
Yes it is
Why
I wouldn't call having more privacy as intangible. Everyones heard of the stories where someone sends some dickpick to a "girl" on some chatroulette app or whatever and ball of a sudden they're sending them screenshots of all their family members' Facebook accounts threatening to leak . same shit goes for pollution and stuff like that, the then "intangible" benefits of being wary of wtf we burn and throw into nature and wilderness are now more obvious than ever with global warming being a growing problem. Intangible doesn't mean nonexistent and if one can't realize that they're simply dumb and shortsighted
Ok, that's true. But what I'm saying is that you aren't considering the value of convenience and user experience at all. It's possible for those benefits to outweigh the downsides.
Also encryption wouldn't prevent your first example
I would also argue that it's "dumb and shortsighted" to not care about user experience, because then you lose the users and they go back to the unencrypted environmentally-disastrous service.
Yea i think u have a point too, one of the main reason i use linux for good now is how streamlined things are nowadays, i just too eager to watch these projects come to fruition and gain more adoption
Truee I feel like open source has really picked up recently and that makes me happy
Steamos gonna finally put us on the map?? I can't wait to see it drop😭
literally not a single person i know uses matrix, and calls aren't supported on most clients, so getting them to switch would be literally impossible.
Idk brah I managed to make 3/5 friends switch to it and we almost exclusively use that to chat, and now got 2-3 family members to use it when talking to me too