Asklemmy

It's the only way to stop my 65+ year old father from listening to it full blast while we're hanging out.

Short answer: because doing a good thing for a bad reason - particularly when it establishes a bad legal precedent - is often a very bad thing in the long run.

I fucking detest TikTok for a variety of reasons (largely around the societal impact it has), but playing the national security card and then not applying it consistently (e.g. meta, twitter, insta, etc are not getting NEARLY the same level of scrutiny, despite very similar ways in which they influence society at both a national and global level) is a recipe for trouble, because that card can be (and often is) played for esoteric bullshit reasons. And I fully expect the incoming admin to use esoteric bullshit reasons for pretty much anything they possibly can.

People doing stupid challenges. People’s attention span getting lower and lower. People pretending they’re more popular than life itself because of their faux acting and lip-syncing

Sorry but this reeks of moral panic.

I don't know if I'm about to say something that someone has already stated but there are a few reasons I'm aware of.

1. There is nothing preventing another platform from becoming another TikTok. All of the problematic users will just migrate to some other platform that probably has less moderation and continue doing everything they were doing before.

2. I've seen some concern about what it could do to the economy. A lot of content creators on TikTok were making money from it and some were successful enough to make a living. Some of these users have expressed that they were either unable to gain an audience on other major platforms or they were banned from them, making TikTok their only significant income source.

3. There are concerns about the hypocrisy of banning TikTok for spying on it's users when other platforms and services, like Facebook and Windows, do pretty much the same thing.

You shouldn't keep TikTok, it's trash, same as most social media. But this also shows why banning it is bad. It's not significantly different from any of the other brain-numbing, privacy-disrespecting trash out there.

It's not being targeted for the things that are wrong with it, it's targeted because it's a Chinese company. That's the problem with the ban.

1. The legal framework and argumentation used to justify the ban is worrisome and can be applied overbroadly in the suppression of speech.

2. Despite this broad possible argumentation, it has just been, and will likely continue to be, wielded in a way targeted towards suppression of speech in a targeted, nationalistic, and at times overtly racist ways. (See: "Senator, I'm Singaporean, not Chinese.")

3. Like it or not, it's become a large repository of internet history and online conversation. The loss of the platform is the loss of that history.

If the government had particular problems with the platform's practices and behaviors, it would have been able to field an actual lawsuit with real charges, or levy fines. This "sell or be banned" is a clear grab for power more than any actual gesture towards protecting the people.

I know why it’s being banned or has been banned or whatever.

Maybe you don't. It is the only non zionist media platform in the US. The zionist offers to buy it are happy to not include the algorithm behind its success. Just to let them censor it. The ban did move forward during the Oct 7th and election cycle psyops, and Tiktok did not prevent voter suppression that gives Israel 4 years to implement its final solution.

It doesn't specifically have any strong/empire reason to be banned now. FB/Google/Musk donations to Trump are new reasons, that can enhance their properties.

If you actually knew all of this already, then you might not ask why it matters. Do you "know differently"?

Because it is a source of addiction imho

App plaforms contain propaganda but America wants to control the propaganda. TikTok shows what happens when America does not. Suddenly when presented with different viewpoints not allowed on American platforms, people change their opinion of America. See the censorship on Palestine on American platforms as an example.

For me personally: I really enjoy tiktok. My feed is curated enough over time that I only see stuff I'm genuinely interested in, comedy, science, tech, fitness and ofcourse skimpy dancing ladies. I do not suffer from the so called propaganda on it.

I agree that tiktok melts brains of teenagers, but so does Instagram reels, facebook and YouTube shorts. So that isn't a tiktok issue in itself anymore.

Monopolization of social media is a bad thing. The two remaining largest social media companies have both publicly begun supporting far right narratives. (Meta and X)

So what it comes down to is really the possibility that the TikTok algorithm gets controlled. But that's a distraction. SCOTUS already decided that corporations have first amendment rights. So even if TikTok is controlling it's algorithm in that way, it has the right to do so. Either that or Hobby Lobby has to pay for birth control for it's employees.

If you're worried about national security then these billionaires publicly turning their platforms into international political machines would be a problem too. But they clearly aren't a priority.

So what's left other than racism and protectionism? The law is also absolutely unconstitutional because it mentions TikTok by name and that's a big nono. The Constitution bans that and requires that all laws are enforced equally specifically because the ability to single out one entity with legislation is breathtakingly corrupt.

If you don't like TikTok that's fine. But you need to realize what this law is capable of. After banning TikTok by name they can also point the finger at any other social media company (and a couple other sectors) and simply declare them to be controlled by a foreign adversary. Even if it's wholly owned by US Citizens.

They gave themselves the power to force a fire sale and you all cheered because they said TikTok.

When Tik Tok gets banned they can and will ban other platforms (ex: Lemmy, Mastadon, Peertube, Matrix, Signal). They will also attempt to ban secure vpns (MullvadVPN) and "encurage" censorship on major platforms.

My TikTok feed is full of content that I find interesting and educational, from creators who work hard to make something valuable.

For them, banning TikTok means the work they put in to curating an audience will be partially lost, they'll retain only the followers who find them on another app. If they are monetizing, they'll potentially have to start over. That may discourage some who are just getting started from developing their craft.

If china, bytedance, meta, or any other platform is collecting user data in such a way as to be a national threat they definitely need to cut it out and this should be regulated. For example, it should be impossible to identify the location of military generals based on where their wives access TikTok from, or who's having an affair with who based on proximity to each other, or to develop a vast dataset of individually identifiable profiles of every user that could be used to selectively damage their character.

Aside from these problems, which are potentially solvable, I think the individual creator/maker economy is an awesome way to give more power to the people.

It has its bads and a lot of the content is worthless trash, but it's also a really good way to see what's going on around the world from those people's perspectives. You see a lot of stuff that doesn't make it to Reddit or Twitter.

It's a lot harder to be against Ukraine when you can see the horrors minutes after a Russian strike.

The government hates it because they can't control it. They'd rather people only see what the mainstream media says, and not the fact everyone sympathizes with Luigi.

The free speech argument is genuine, despite how much I hate the shady practices of the platform.

I imagine because a lot of people use it as a way to run their independent business now, TikTok accounted for $24 billion in gross GDP in 2023. Banning TikTok would be really disruptive to all the people who started using it to run a business, and while they will eventually find a new platform it will be disruptive for them in the short run https://newsroom.tiktok.com/en-us/tiktok-economic-impact-report-2024-smb

Another reason is that it's relatively unfiltered stream of information where people can discuss issues like the genocide in Palestine that are censored on US owned platforms. If you don't see why that's important I don't know what else to tell you.

I don't use tiktok, I've never been interested in using tiktok, and if it was just going out of business or something then I would give precisely zero fuckaroos.

But I don't need the government making the decision to block it for me arbitrarily. I confess that I'm not studied up on the reasoning behind blocking it (I've mostly heard about security concerns), but if Congress and the supreme court actually cared about digital security, then they'd be passing a bill of digital rights right now. Instead of doing that, they're set on going after TikTok specifically, which tells us two things:

• Because they aren't passing blanket digital privacy rights, it's likely that TikTok is not the only company committing these privacy violations, but they don't want to punish the "wrong" company.
• Given the previous point, it follows that they don't actually care about digital privacy (duh), so the actual reason for banning them is likely something else. Other people in this thread have pointed out that the US government can't control propaganda on TikTok like they can other social media, but it could also be as simple as clearing the way for American competitors/lobbyists who stand to profit from the ban.

So yeah, like you I don't use tiktok so I'm not directly affected by the ban, I might've even supported it if it was due to an impartial bill of digital rights, but reasoning behind the actual ban is clearly bullshit on principle just by being so specific, and it sets a dangerous precedent. You saying that TikTok is shit so you don't care if it gets injustly and unconstitutionally banned is no different then saying that George Floyd was a criminal so you don't care if he was murdered by cops sans-due-process. You're being distracted, soulifix. Think about it, if the government cared about addressing the issues with TikTok that you brought up in your post, why are they going after TikTok specifically instead of addressing that behavior generally?

they're banning tiktok because people there are denouncing the crimes of israel and, and the ties to the US gvt, and they can't force censorship like they can on US-based platforms, which are as bad, or even worse, in terms of data protection (since they keep selling & getting the data break which will inevitably end up in chinese hands anyway)

Because it's censorship by the goverment? also all the bad shit you mentioned can be easily found in most other social media too, should those be banned as well then?

I hate everything the US government does