chapotraphouse

There are Christian historians you can absolutely take seriously. Bert Ehrman approaches this stuff with with real academic vigor. He is one of the very few who have published actual papers in respected journals on the historicity of Jesus. So he is the go-to guy for "Jesus was real". I'm just saying that the assumption was "Jesus was real" in the west for hundreds of years without any real study on the matter. Now we have a few people pushing back on the idea. Dr Richard Carrier is the most prominent and one of the only people who has published actual papers in journals on the un-historicity of Jesus. There are a few others. The number of people who have actually published on this topic you can count on your fingers. If there were to be a real debate on the subject the two dudes involved would almost certainly be these two.