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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Logic is not created, it just is.

You can have plenty of choice without the ability to do evil.

It's not a question of choice, nature for example doesn't have any choice, and there are illnesses and natural catastrophes. It's a question of being. God being the Good, they can't create something purely good that is not them, or bound by them, thus or not different, or not free. But they didn't created evil, evil doesn't exist, evil is just something not good, thus not God. And it's a spectrum, from almost good to almost not good.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Logic is not created, it just is.

Logic is a result of the rules of our universe, no? A universe could be created where 2 + 2 = 5. Logic dictates that matter can't be created, yet God made our universe, right? But sounds like you're saying God is bound by rules from an even higher being - after all, isn't the idea that everything has to have an origin, except God?

It's not a question of choice, nature for example doesn't have any choice, and there are illnesses and natural catastrophes.

Well yes, illnesses and natural catastrophes exist because God created them, right? They could have created a universe that can't have viruses existing, or where earth quakes are impossible.

But they didn't created evil, evil doesn't exist, evil is just something not good, thus not God. And it's a spectrum, from almost good to almost not good.

But didn't God create the very distinction of things being good or not good? Why couldn't an all-powerful being have chosen to create the universe such that everything is good?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

everything has to have an origin, except God?

The actual argument is everything has to have an origin inside the universe, thus our universe to exist must have a cause exterior to it. We call this cause God. It's not a question of higher being, just that a universe where the effect predates the cause can't hold. God is not less omnipotent because they can't make a round square.

Why couldn't an all-powerful being have chosen to create the universe such that everything is good?

I thought I answered this question twice, I'm sorry if I'm not clear, English is hard for me. So I'll try again: because it's logically impossible to have a universe which is not a part of God, thus independant and free, that is also perfectly good, as God is perfectly good. Put as a formula, the formulas

universe = good and universe ≠ God are not possible at the same time if God = good

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

It's not a question of higher being, just that a universe where the effect predates the cause can't hold. God is not less omnipotent because they can't make a round square.

So this would mean that logic exists outside our universe, and since God can't change logic, it's an even higher power than they are - right? But why isn't God bound by logic regarding e.g. creating matter/energy?

It seems it all comes down to God having to follow rules beyond their own design and power, which flies in the face of them being all-powerful and all-knowing. After all, even if evil must be an option, they could have created the universe such that no being would ever choose to do evil - they already knew the choices everyone would make when they created the universe!