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Gotta be honest this is a you issue and it's incredibly shitty. You're combining the 2 incredibly fun tropes of "noble poor" and "the worst thing about poverty is that I have to see it".
People asking for help don't actually owe it to you to prove that they're min/maxing money that you gave them. There is no amount of money that you could realistically receive from posting on mutual_aid to bootstrap your way back to financial independence. It's all survival money. Survival isn't just coping with your hunger or exposure. It's also about coping with your feelings. Being homeless and impoverished is an incredibly lonely, dreadful and long existence. It's an experience filled with anguish, self abasement, and uncertainty. Using drugs to survive that isn't some moral failing, because raw-dogging such an existence is not a moral virtue.
By criticizing the purchase of drugs you are supposing that theru's a utility cost to that money that would fix the root causes. By conditioning aid on sobriety, you are demanding that people impoverished people should actively suffer. By complaining about the visibility of cries for help you are demanding that impoverished people should suffer in silence.
Your meager help is contingent on imposing harm because you cannot rid yourself of the ego and moral judgements when interacting with the most vulnerable members of society. You actively are showing your ass that you think poor people are inherently bad and must act a certain way to regain their "goodness". Nobody owes you atrocity porn to sate your own negative feelings about the ideas you hold.
Charity cannot be wasted because charity is a social relationship, it's not a measure of marginal utility. Charity can only be abused through deceit, but that's not what your criticizing. If you don't want to give money to people who will spend it on drugs that's your business, but don't pretend that there's some universal logic around the way people should act because of your personal feelings.
As I said last time this all came up I have no problem with people spending donated money on whatever they want as long as they didn't lie to get it.
I don't care if people spend it on drugs or anything else, as long as they didn't say it was for something else.
Saying you need money for basic survival items, getting the money and then turning around and spending it on drugs is shitty, especially when it's surrounded by posts of other people also saying rhe need survival necessities.
I don't think I'm the only one who, given the option to donate limited resources to people starving in Gaza or facing eviction or having that same money go to somebody buying gard drugs, I'd rather it be used on the thing that is going to actually improve the situation.
Especially if you're then going to go on to say that other people are making outside observers less likely to donate.
That's before you get into the history of bragging about scamming people and calling people slurs when you get called on it.
I think from the perspective of competing needs the more likely issue is that some people get more because they are more popular / appealing than others which is another form of market logic of its own. I think that's a fair criticism, but it's still a criticism of those who choose the allocation of resources rather than a criticism of those who need them.
My point is that being the arbiter of competing needs on a person to person basis is morally fraught (and typically on some level dishonest) which is why real mutual aid is a communal and social function rather than a peer-to-peer market function. Also that enforcing a system of account on those who are in need is just opening up a can of worms for petty sectarian moralizing that is going to wind up with harming more people than preventing scenarios like this.
There's also just a lot of unverified, unknowable information to make a call here, and digging thru the post and user histories that started this thread it's incredibly difficult to tell what the truth of the obvious off board drama between the involved users is.
FWIW you shouldn't have gone homeless, that's a failing of society on multiple levels that should be eradicated.
I wasn't taking it that way. I just think that your POV matters, but should be treated different than the POV of someone giving.
I think this is very noble of you.
Yeah I agree with this, the best we can do is caveat emptor.
I just think that adjudicating it before/after the fact or debating whose rules are more moral is pointless and harmful. There's already calls for the user to get banned, from people who likely only read scenario as presented by Adkml which is not productive. I think there are scenarios where the $4k/car/drugs thing could be extremely shitty sure, but I don't have all the information to judge, I don't want the user to provide it, and it's not my place to judge to begin with.
This is a message board, meaning it's already a suboptimal way to distribute aid. At the end of the day this wasn't someone pretending to be in need, they did get a car with the money, this person is still homeless. People should just live and let live.
You are talking an awful lot about a situation you clearly don't know.
You are 100% correct, and it is 100% none of my business to find out.
And then were also donated a car. And then got it impounded within a week because they were intentionally antagonizing the people living in the house they were staying in front of.
Lol no.