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Analysis: Clean energy just put China’s CO2 emissions into reverse for first time
(www.carbonbrief.org)
this post was submitted on 16 May 2025
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I always find it amusing that we, in the west, have sent our mining, recycling and manufacturing to China and then clutch our pearls to gasp at how huge China's CO2 output is.
The problem isn't only China, the problem is us all.
Yeah, China, USA, Russia, India, and the EU top countries have made a global problem for all of us.
Or that we keep concentrating only on the total output. China has 4.2 times as many people as the US, yet their total Co2 emissions are only 2.4 times higher.
It's like complaining that a family of four is eating too much food from the buffet when you have over half of their total amount on your own plate.
Yup. There's probably an analysis somewhere about how much of China's emissions are ours. I bet it's a large fraction.
It's not that much:
According to https://ourworldindata.org/consumption-based-co2 it's less than 10% of China's total emissions, meaning 90% of their emission comes from internal consumption. This is pretty bad considering China's emissions per capita are worse than the UK adjusted for imports and exports.
Not only that, another big hypocritical thing is demanding growing countries that they need to slow down "for the environment". I mean, ok, global warming is everyone's problem, but the hypocrisy there is unmeasurable.
Not really. Eternal growth is a dumb idea until and unless we can go interplanetary.
Need to find a stable equilibrium for the long haul.
And there is the hypocrisy I was talking about. Go tell that to someone from third world countries and let me know how loud they'll tell you to fuck off.
Guess we all die then. :shrug:
That's the inevitable end anyway, since even first world countries aren't doing much about it, propaganda apart.
Go go gadget defeatism.
We should do nothing because we’re doomed. Better waste everything we can to accelerate it!
What you are saying doesn't even make sense. Read again, slowly, what I wrote.
The impossibility of eternal growth doesn't deny the hypocrisy parent highlights. The CO2 budget we've eaten for our development has eaten (and still disproportionately does) the global budget that belongs to all people. We've consumed way more of a practically nonrenewable resource than the rest of the world, we continue to disproportionately consume more of it, and then we (some of us) go to the rest of the world and say, sir no sir there's not enough resource left, you'll have to do with a lot less, and you'll have to do it on your own! There's deep hypocrisy in that, regardless of the state of the resource.
I don’t disagree with that.
My opinion is that the top consumers need to cut down and likely more importantly this insane push for “the economy” to be wasting resources churning away and accomplishing nothing of substance. That’s the part that needs to end.
Along with the obsession with having more and more and more babies which will grow to consume even more resources.
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Some European countries aren't doing badly in that regard but it's a drop in a bucket compared to us in NA as well as the top 1% around the globe.
Yep. Or maybe closer to the top 10-25% based on this articles like this:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-025-02325-x