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It's gonna be hard not to make the same mistakes when western socialists can't even acknowledge that the 1956 crackdown in Hungary was one of these fuck ups.
There were many faults in the USSR and the leadership of communist parties across the world ultimately being handed down from Moscow (this prevented a revolution in France in '68).
However, their lack of propensity for allowing fascists to take charge is not one of those failures. Only the revolutions that protect themselves can hope to win.
The fascists wouldn't have been able to take charge since the country was already shut down by workers councils who declared they will fight against going back to capitalism. The USSR decided to punish the workers first and foremost.
That sounds exactly like every time the CIA leveraged existing economic issues in socialist countries to use their unionized labor movement as a way to overthrow them. Looking at history, those workers councils would not have been able to defend themselves against armed fascists, easily.
For all the faults of the USSR, I'm not convinced that defending socialist countries against fascism is a flaw it possessed.
Well they surely won't be able if the USSR cracks down on them and lets the fash get away.
When JDPON Don was releasing all those documents in the so-called ''JFK files'', one of them finally confirmed that the Hungarian dissidents were funded by the CIA.
No it didn't, what that document talked about was an NGO founded by Hungarian dissidents AFTER 56.
You mean the NGO that is/was a tool of regime change by NATO, and you assume that there was no NATO involvement prior to after 1956?
Ceausescu supporter who is against the intervention in Czechoslovakia but is for the one in Hungary because he's a Romanian nationalist and hates Hungarians
What should have been done differently?
Start negotiating with the workers councils, help them beat down the fash, negotiate with them about what's next.
I do not think that NATO-backed nazis should be negotiated with.
Me neither, that's why i didn't mention them.
Well, then there was nobody to negotiate with, then.
There were though, there were workers councils who shut down their factories and declared that they won't give it back if there is an attempt at restoring capitalism, also launched patrols to protect jewish people whose houses the fash marked.
Just let fascists take over, duh