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As I was passing through Amsterdam, OSM lied to me several times. I don’t have the tools and means to correct the maps for various complex reasons starting with not having a good Internet connection, but really an Amsterdam local should get involved anyway because I’m not sure of all these problems.

Misinfo:

  • Brouwerij Troost (52.36616°N, 4.87318°E) ← shutdown
  • Manamana (52.35410°N, 4.89033°E) ← apparently shutdown; someone should verify
  • Hecke Electronica (52.35243°N, 4.88725°E) ← shutdown; owner retired. It should be updated to say “/Formerly/ Hecke Electronica” until something replaces it
  • Flower Burger (52.37226°N, 4.88566°E) ← replaced with a /cashless/ croissant shop.
  • CT Coffee & Coconuts (52.35267°N, 4.89150°E) ← replaced with another similar shop. Not sure if other Coffee & Coconuts locations closed or just this one.

Missing info:

  • Bierfabriek Amsterdam (52.37007°N, 4.89375°E) ← cashless¹!
  • Brouwerij De Engel (52.37007°N, 4.89375°E) ← building is rightfully unnamed since the brewery was only there a couple years before bankruptcy. It should be updated to say “/Formerly/ Brouwerij De Engel” so people actually know the brewery is no longer there, until something else is established there.

¹ When a cashless merchant sells alcohol, it’s a trap and an injustice. Having records of alcohol consumption stupid and reckless because it denies consumers their GDPR Art.5 right to data minimisation. And it has consquences. E.g. a scandinavian home buyer was denied a loan because the bank discovered he bought alcohol regularly. Anyway, there will always be dumb consumers who pay for alcohol electronically, but in the very least OSM should mark cashless bars as cashless so wise consumers can easily avoid them. I walked out of my way to visit Bierfabriek only to discover they were cashless. Unlike other cashless bars, they were at least diligent about posting it.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Actually we have a tag for old names like this: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:old_name

But if it only existed for such a short time I'm not sure if it's significant enough to map it after it was closed. If it would have been already mapped while it was open it would make sense, but if no one ever cared about this before?

You can add a note if you think it's important enough, local mappers will have to decide.

I don't know how the osmand snapshot were wrong, though I never used this manual offline download feature.