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I created an infographic of privacy-forward alternatives to Google products...and would love your feedback.

Is it easy to use? Enough white space? Intuitive? Sharable? Is there anything I'm missing?

The infographic image in this post is NOT clickable. The link above will give you a downloadable PDF with working hyperlinks.

Re: the legend, "easy set-up/use" means either that this is a big part of the alternative product's branding, or I've used it myself and found it easy.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Y'all should probably stop mentioning proton

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The owner of Proton is publicly a Trump supporter. Never trust a company that publicly supports Trump (e.g. Proton, StickerMule, etc.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honest question, do you think Gail Slater was a good or bad choice?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

She has a track record of going after big tech, which can be a bit surprising as she is a republican. People were surprised that Trump chose her. That's what the whole origin of "Proton CEO is pro-Trump" is about. Trump chose someone who isn't a friend of big tech, and the Proton CEO posted that it was a good choice. This article explains the whole thing step by step: https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As someone who wants to drop Proton VPN and has stopped using their mail in favor of mailbox.org, I think we should still mention them, just with an asterisk. People deserve to make their own choice about if they wish to support him or not. At least it's non-profit now.

I really wanna stop using the VPN and go to Mullvad (since they've proved they have no logs), but they don't offer port forwarding anymore, and the only other option is AirVPN, which had a server seizure in 2015 that they didn't want to disclose until like 2023... (gag order?)

I don't torrent often, but I do occasionally...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How is mailbox? I just recently got proton set up with my custom domain and I kind of like it to be honest and their app is nice too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

ETA: I thought you meant how do I like the Proton mailbox@! :D

I like it. The only issue for me is that the search is slow, but that's because they have to compile all your data first...as opposed to Gmail, which already and always has access.

Another plus of Proton Mail is their masked email app. When I go to a site that asks me to enter an email, the app can create a masked email for me on the fly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

I don't do anything fancy, just use the light version with the email I made, and use anonaddy to alias for free. I use Thunderbird as a client.

It works, although the web app is kinda slow. If you enable MFA Tokens, instead of the password you made, you now type a PIN + TOTP code to login, which is dumb (They might be changing it soon). I know some have pointed out a security issue about flags or smth, specifically about how people can spoof your email and send messages as you. This comment specifically shows what tests failed and passed.

It's cheap (Light plan is ~1€ per month) and allows easy one click enabling of PGP for webmail and encrypted sending (to mailbox.org users) but if you're a pro you can do expert/customizable settings for those instead.

I just wanted something that was relatively private and secure, and will work with Thunderbird.

Maybe consider Posteo too, which has another lengthy post of Privacy.guides forums about whether it's good or not.

Honestly, maybe I would move to Posteo due to the DMARC policy and MFA being iffy on Mailbox, but we'll see. I use aliases to avoid too much spam anyway.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

If you dont torrent often you probably arent really needing port forwarding. I use mullvad and i torrent things all the time with zero issues.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I know there has been some political controversy around them lately, and that for email Tuta is recommended over Proton Mail—I do mention both of these facts in DISENGAGE: Opting Out—and Finding New Options—to Reclaim Your Life from Spammers, Scammers, Intrusive Marketers and Big Tech, which I'm trying to promote through the infographic. But overall I've been happy with Proton's suite of products as compared to the relevant Google products.